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    Who's who in your story?

    Discussion in 'Erotica' started by Wreybies, Oct 20, 2013.

    Warning, I may ramble.

    I'm sitting at my scene that you guys have been generously helping me with, The Inn, and as I''m looking on how to rework the bit where the steam starts to come up, I'm thinking to myself, "Do I want Brena to be demanding and take-charge in the sack since he comes from wealth and power, or do I want him to be unsure and nervous since he's been sheltered and never really mingled on a personal level too much with the hoi polloi? Does Deavon have an easy, insouciant manner with sex since he's beautiful and desirable and it's always come easy to him, or is he jaded because he's beautiful and desirable and it's always come easy to him?"

    And it made me wonder... Is who they are in the sack who they are in the rest of the story? Do I need to tie the nature of each of my two fellahs both in the bedroom and out? Making them be the opposite in and out of bed is as obvious as making them parallel, so... I'm at a loss. This scene marks the spot where I kind of establish how things will go for a bit before Deavon get's thrown a major curve by Brena's mother, Lady Petla. She's going to demand that Deavon marry Brena's sister for reasons that have to do with establishing a power base that goes beyond money. She has the resources to enforce her demand, and this is what leads my two lads on their adventure.
     
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    One's sexual identity can be very different from who they are in other situations. In fact, this is one reason for including bedroom scenes in a novel. Not to bow to salacious tstes among the readers to boost sales; although it is a motive for some writers, it is not one I respect. But seeing what your character is like after letting his or her hair down is revealing on a whole new level.

    As is the case with any other aspect of a character, it can evolve as the story progresses. Brena could be a player who hops from one bed to the next, and never leaves a piece of his heart behind - until he meets someone in your story, and falls, hard. Or he could bean upper class brat but sexually naive, having steered clear of relationships with lesser folk.

    Consider what you can do with contrasts. He could be brash and socially at ease, but be shy and passive in the bedroom. But don't overdo this, or it will come across as contrived.

    Deciding his sexual nature opens story possibilities, no matter how you cast him.
     
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    From my experience, people are very much themselves in bed.
    If I meet a nice guy and we go back to the bedroom, odds are he'd be nice in bed.
    He wouldn't suddenly get overly aggressive or controlling.

    Of course, having different bedding skills, needs, and experience/openness will affect how you act but it wouldn't be a complete 180 without diving into fetishes.
    People with little to no experience tend to take control less though it ain't a cardinal rule. If they know what they want they might be more eager or forward though.
    Some with experience might show less interest in sex because they know what they want or what sex is to them. However, they can also be complete horndogs.

    So, my advice, do whatever you think your character would.
    Odds are, it'll flow well.
     
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    This is where gay guys confuse me a little. I have two guy friends, they are a couple and are not shy with a few drinks in them. They only told me who's the top and who's the bottom and they are quite strict about it. The 'top' has never been a 'bottom' and vice versa.

    When two guys meet for the first time, is this a discussion? While I'd imagine lots of guys are both I am wondering about these two. How dis they know what the other is? Is it pot-luck? Did they hit the jackpot? Could it have gone disastrously wrong? Would this be a question for your guys? Would this depend on who takes charge?

    Going back to roles or role reversals, personally I can be in charge or I can kick back. I'm sure everyone can, it depends on the mood of both. I've seen documentaries about fetish 'houses'. One in particular was on an apartment block just off Wall St. All of its clients were Wall St execs; power hungry dudes gambling squillions all day who love nothing better than to be tied up and whipped on their lunch hour, others were in weeker positions at work and they too loved nothing better than some degradation, being made to act like dogs, naked, drinking from the toilet bowl with a branch up their ass for a tail. This other guy, 6 foot 4 but meek as a kitten was there to wrestle a five foot nothing girl in a padded room!

    I'd say anything goes for your dudes.
     
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    Yeap, we actually do talk about it if we are thinking of bedding.
    Some are exclusively one or the other so it can easily kill a deal if both are the same type.
    Though, versatile guys are a little more on the rare side I find.
    Most can do both but have a strong preference for one or the other so they aren't fully versatile. They just got the equipment.
     
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    I really can't see that being a chat-up line for us straight folk. I'd imagine getting a slap if I straight up asked her how she likes it - busted lip for sure! You guys have it so easy..
     
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    Good question, and one I'm presently trying to deal with. I've hit the first sex scene with my MC in my novel, and despite his inexperience, once he and his lover made it into the bedroom he changed. I mean, really changed. The scene occurs only a few hours after they meet. The other character, being more confident, was kinda of leading him along up until this point. I expected it to be so in the bedroom. I was so wrong. Problem is... is my MC now acting out of character? How do our sexual selves differ? And more importantly, can the reader cope with this flip of personality?

    Since when did my callow youth turn into a cocky little minx? I'm a bit freaked out. I'm a big one for letting my character lead me through the story, rather than vice versa, but this just seemed to be a step too far, and now I've hit a blockage. Whenever I return to the scene, I just shake my head, because what I intended to write and what actually poured out were two completely different things.
     
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    Well callow isn't a trait, more a lack of experience so yeah, how does your immature MC turned into a vixen? Has she been watching too much porn? Has she popped an ex? Does she see her partner as week and lusts to take advantage? Does she see it's what he wants and gives it to him as best she can?

    Speaking for myself the reader, why couldn't I accept people are different between the sheets?
     
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    Nope... he lives in a society were homosexuality is not only frowned upon but punishable. He's been kidding himself for years, despite knowing the truth and sleeping women for appearances sake. Now he's met the 'one', and he's just let rip. He's never felt safe enough before. I think my problem stems from the fact he's been so convincing up until now, he's pulled the wool over my eyes too.

    When I say he's callow, I mean to say that he's young and inexperienced in other matters. Sex, with this other guy, is showing him as he truly is. Still finding it hard to get my head around it though.
     
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    Ohhhh so your MC is a gay guy... he's been sleeping with women for appearance sake and now he's met the one. ok. I think when people are in love, really in love, when they've met the one, I think we try our best to please rather than be selfish about it so why can't he be eager to please. It always takes two... Maybe your MC is just following the lead, his bf is lying there waiting to be taken and he's like, "Oh ok then..." Maybe he surprises himself...
     
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    I kind of had it planned in my head that he other guy would take the lead, certainly it's what he expected to do, but then again, he'd been sitting back to start with watching how my MC dealt with the ladies. (His discomfort could have been read as inexperience when, in fact, he just wasn't into it.) He instinctively saw through him, but because of this he expected he would have to do a bit of hand holding. Truly, he was a shocked as me at how how things started turning around. I think, it's the fact that I've been having to portray a duality to my MC—how he appears from the outside, and how he feels within. Being his first experience with a guy, it might have been expected that he would allow the other character to lead him along. Instead, he's found wildness in the release of his pent up feelings and emotions. Credit to the other character, for bringing this change about in him. No one else has been able to, up until now.
     
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    Yeah, @erebh, it's a point of conversation that does need to come up at some point. Some guys are staunch about what role they take, others aren't. Those that aren't are the most fun, and I've found that age tends to weather away the edge of definitions. ;) As you get older, you develop a feel for it, who's what, but it's an art, not a science. For the sake of writing latitude, both my guys are vers in that regard. The question hit me (and I'm still stuck on it) mainly regarding Brena and his attitude about what his mother is about to do.
    • Does he go along with this, in cahoots with her? If he's in cahoots with her, whether from the beginning or after she makes her move, then I would think Brena's just been boytoying with Deavon up to that point, true feelings for him being something that evolves later as a part of their journey.
    • If he's not in cahoots with her, would he be more the shy/elite Little Lord Fauntleroy, ever at his mother's side, protected by her iron skirts, but having come of age, grown weary of her huge presence. Are his feelings for Deavon belated puppy love, fierce and with little logic to temper it and his actions those of desperation instead of calculation?
    Either way takes me to the point of setting sail, but the paths are clearly different and I think would effect greatly the tone of the bow-chica-wow-wow. :)

    The above is mostly just me thinking out loud, folks, and represents very rough story scaffolding. I would hope not to write my guys as obvious is all that, but there needs to be some bones to build upon. Any personal opinions on what would make a juicier (in all senses of the word) read are welcome and solicited. ;)
     
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    Yeah, I'd never ask a female that either :p
    But it's still rude to up and ask unless you're at a very very very sleazy place...or a bath house but even then it can be rude.
    Usually, you ask after chatting up a bit and there is definite interest from both parties.
    Most guys have little problem just winging it, though, and seeing what happens.
     
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    Well, opening a conversation that way with a woman a man has just met is certainly likely to earn a slap, if not a more, um, tender injury. On the other hand, flirty talk as the pickup proceeds, can get pretty specific, and acts as a kind of pre-foreplay.
     
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    Hmm.... My questions become the following:

    Has he had other experiences before? If the act is punishable in this society, is there a subculture, a set of cues one learns in order to be sure of not being duped? These questions in particular I ask because of my time in the military well before any of the changes that have taken place recently, where there were such things. There was a 'closed ranks' community that you had to learn how to get into as well as be permitted to enter (two separate dynamics).
     
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    OK, you are the author. None of your characters can convince you of anything. If you're having problems revealing his true self, perhaps you should consider how you wrote him up to that point.
     
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    @Wreybies.

    The set up for the sex scene isn't a problem, I think I've dealt well enough with that. Several issues are addressed in broad but subtle swipes. (These will be expounded upon as the story progresses. This scene occurs at the start of the story and while briefly addressed, I have refrained from going OTT at this point, as it would come across as an info dump.) Cultural differences play a part. They also find themselves in an environment that is not only not hostile, but making their coming together almost inevitable. The thought of being duped is obviously on the MC's mind, but there are several cues he observes, that put him at ease, and also some kindly interference on the part of someone he knows and trusts. Shortly after this scene occurs, the story jumps forward eight years to look at the repercussions. My guys are somewhat star crossed.

    @123456789

    You think? :) When I start off envisaging a character, I have a vague idea of who he/she is—what motivates them, what scares them, etc. I even know what their future holds. As the story proceeds this character will grow and adapt to the situations I'll throw at him. Have you ever heard it said, "If it had been me, I don't know what I'd have done?" That applies to the emotional heart of my characters... it's only by experiencing the scene, along with them in my head, can I hope to connect to them. My planning head had one idea how the scene should go but, once I connected to the scene and my MC emotions, the scene started writing itself.

    It just didn't quite write up as I expected it to. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing, even if it's left me feeling a little bit flummoxed right now. I think it adds a certain believable spontaneity.

    As an author, I don't believe in planning my characters' every thought and action from the off. I'm trying to think of a good analogy for how I go about it.

    When in the planning stage, I think as a film director would. I have an overview. But once my scene is set and dressed, I slip into my role as a method actor and do my thing. Because a method actor is given some leeway, the way through the scene might deviate from the script, but will still have the same outcome. At the moment I find myself, as director, viewing this particular take and weighing up whether the deviation works for the benefit of the whole. I think this is a temporary blip, and that perhaps, I just need a few days rest away from the scene, to be able to gauge objectively.
     
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    hmm, @obsidian_cicatrix. If there is such a big divide between how your MC acts outwith this bedroom scene and how he behaves within it, I think that's real story gold. There is much to be played with here. Does this scene change his outward behaviour in the future? If he has to keep this encounter secret, due to fear of punishment, does the act of concealment make him withdrawn? Sarcastic? Devious? Depressed? Disconnected? It's bound to do some or all of these things.

    Maybe work with that. It's going to be fun! I mean, serious fun. It will be fun for the reader, too, if they see how this encounter plays out, before they see how he deals with the fallout from it.
     
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    @jannert

    Ta for that. This particular take is making me consider my options. As you know, my main storyline is very fluid right now. I'm using my perception of my characters to dictate the way I want to proceed, to some degree.
    Yes. Undoubtedly. I think this sex scene gives a glimpse of what might have been, had circumstances been different. When we catch up with the character in the present, not only is he older, but also more jaded and more withdrawn. He's certainly become less trusting and more cynical. Externally that manifests as being less tolerant, overly cocky, pass remarkable—not at all the boy we first meet, in many respects.

    As for 'story gold'... I wish! I have confidence when it comes to my characters, not so much when it comes to the story itself. This latest blip, while spurred by my characterisation, is less a problem than how I allow the story to proceed from here. I'm not settled on it yet but my brain is still processing.
     

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