Accounting

By Wreybies · May 1, 2014 · ·
  1. Though this is really being posted for future reference and as a reminder to myself of my own accountability, members are absolutely free to comment. I invite it.

    The recent need to remove a member from the writingforums.org community gave me pause to think about the fact that everyone sees a forum differently. Everyone has their own reason for seeking such a venue, the use they wish to give to it, the input they wish to provide, the output they hope to gain and the mode of interaction in which they intend to engage.

    In the same manner, mods don't all mod the same way. There are power hungry mods, mother-hen mods, absentee mods, all kinds of mods.

    I am (or try to be) an Accountant Mod. I try to boil it down to math as best I can. My hope is that in doing so, I neither show favoritism nor undue prejudice, given that I too am just a person, like everyone else. Fallible.

    I think of the forum as an investment portfolio. All of the members, myself included, are individual investments. Since we do not pick our membership, but instead it picks us, it is to be considered a high risk portfolio. Anyone who knows investments knows that a high risk portfolio carries the greatest risk of loss, but also the greatest chance for high yield or ROI (Return On Investment).

    The investments fall into a few categories:
    • The huge, vast majority of the forum members are all cost-free. They come to the forum, they use it for its purpose and they cost nothing at all to maintain. Nothing. They don't even know who the mods are because they genuinely have no reason to.
    • There are some few members, who are cost-free, the return on whom is an embarrassment of riches. Would that I could clone them!
    • There are some few members who do have an appreciable cost, but their return is still greater, their ROI is in the green, so they still represent good investments.
    • There are some members who cost more than they return. Even when the return is high, or very high, if the cost is greater, if the ROI is in the red, the investment represents a loss.
    • And there are some very few members who only represent cost and have no return at all. Trolls, spambots, blog-spammers, etc.
    That's why it's not always so cut and dry for mods. We have to balance a person's right to express their opinion with how much of a dick they make of themselves in the expression of that opinion. We have to balance how much value a person brings with how much kerfuffle they cause. We have to balance the fact that some people are preciously sensitive hothouse flowers and others are weatherbeaten merchant marines who eat wood and shit charcoal. We have to balance the fact that some people know only how to speak in Snark and others don't grok its keen edge at all. We have to take into account that some people just want to feel out where the boundaries are and some people just want to poke at that boundary for enjoyment's sake.

    I take all those things into account.

    And if you ever wonder why we don't immediately silence conversation concerning someone who was just banned (which some find inappropriate), imagine that the ban was unfair (we're human, we have our moments of passion) and it was you who had been banned. Would you not want others to be able to argue for your reprieve? And lets say the ban was fair, but still questionable, would you not want the right to call for some accountability or explanation as a remaining member? Would you really want a situation where bannings were un-talk-about-able, unquestionable, taboo territory?

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Comments

  1. minstrel
    Your last paragraph is spot on. We do not want a totalitarian environment here, one in which people are "disappeared" and no one is allowed to mention them again, or ask why they're gone.

    I think members have a right to know why the mods do what they do. The members might not agree with us - maybe they would have handled a situation differently - but they should be aware that our decisions are not arbitrary; if we take drastic action (such as perma-banning someone), we have strong reasons for it.
  2. thirdwind
    I just want to say that I really love how you mods handle things. You guys are always on the same page and are willing to listen to explanations by the offending party. Best mod team on the internet? Hell yeah! Seriously, kudos to you guys.
  3. Mackers
    I think the occasional bit of snark spices this place up a bit. I'd much prefer a passionate debate about something than the sterilised atmosphere of the past. Throwing the odd "barbed missile" (As another member indignantly said to me once) to me is more reflective of real life and is also an expression of honesty...If another member called me a c*** I'd probably laugh and respect them for telling me what they truly think of me
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  4. minstrel
    @Mackers: An occasional bit of snark is permissible, and in fact is practically unavoidable - it's the way people talk. And it does spice things up. Moderators only take notice if someone makes a habit of it, deliberately pushing people's buttons in many threads for no particular reason. Of course, we also notice if a specific argument starts getting too heated, too personally insulting.

    Fundamentally, we want the forum to be enjoyable for the members. It should be fun. An atmosphere that's too sterile - one that makes people feel like they're in church or a courtroom - is undesirable. But we can't let it deteriorate into one big snitfest.
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  5. Mackers
    Minstrel, completely agree with you :) I should say that I am in no way advocating the wild west!

    Can I ask why JayG was banned or is that a sore point?
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  6. Wreybies
    He was banned for simple and prolonged trolling in the same thread wherein he attempted to slip a self-promo of his website and also his online books for sale. He proceeded to misdirect and maliciously reinterpret the posts made by several members into attacks not only on himself, but on others as well, when clearly there was never any malice in the original posts nor where those posts from members who have ever had a history of making such posts. This was all three days after having come off of a time-out that was given when he chose to condescend a member's Workshop post, outside the workshop, a Workshop post that was also completely fictitious given that the member in question has never once made a Workshop entry; hence, that too was an act of trolling.
  7. Bumfoot
    I'm a newbie to the forum and thank you for taking the time to spell this out. ;)
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