Awesome advice on anger and forgiveness

By paperbackwriter · Nov 15, 2018 · ·
  1. Some of you may have heard this kind of advice before. I haven't. It really knocked me over,how insightful and useful this advice is. It comes from a German Benedictine Monk/Writer/Psychologist/Counsellor named Anselm Gruen in his book "Building Self-esteem"

    "Instead of letting anger eat us up inside, instead of exploding with rage, we should use our anger to distance ourselves from people who steal our time and attention. In fact, we have to eject them altogether. Of course some people might say this isn't Christian behaviour, and that forgiveness - not angry expulsion- is the Christian thing to do. But anger is a PROCESS. Forgiveness is its LAST and not its first stage. As long as the person who has injured me, is still in my heart, forgiveness would be no more than MASOCHISM. If I forgave him or her, I would harm myself. Only when I have DISTANCED myself from him or her can I really forgive that person, knowing that he or she is only another psychically wounded child. "
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  1. Magus
    How do you go about forgiving someone if the pain lingers? Is eternal expulsion from your life a valid Christian solution?

    This reminds me of a video I saw some time ago where a father of a murdered daughter confronted his childs killer in court. Several of the parents of other victims had their turn to speak and went about wishing damnation upon the man. Finally the father had his chance to speak and "forgave" the man. Could you ever really forgive someone in a circumstance like that?
  2. paperbackwriter
    sorry I cant answer your questions well Magus and they are good ones. I have trouble enough forgiving over small bullying events, let alone someone murdering my daughter. That would likely drive me totally insane. Im no role-model. I'm very much staying at the "intellectual discussion" stage, as usual. :)
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  3. jim onion
    Putting the theory into practice is always difficult. But, would it honestly be a good thing if simply reading a few books on stoicism could've turned me into a protégé of Marcus Aurelius? Reading anything would actually have a terribly significant impact if it worked like that. And I read way too much stupid shit in a single day to afford that.

    Still, sometimes I get down on myself, because I feel like I just spent all this time reading with intention and attention, taking notes and reflecting on the reading, and at the end of it all I feel the same as I did before... or I don't know how to implement what I want to take away.

    Alas, this just takes time, and practice. Occasionally a re-read.

    Forgiving oneself can often be as challenging as forgiving others. I really like Gruen's advice. It reminds me of a piece of advice from the Bible, Matthew 7:6.

    Maybe you can think of 5-6 people to forgive. Who? What happened? Why were you upset by them, and why should you forgive them? By seeking to forgive, you seek to understand. Just know that forgiveness is not the same as exempting people from punishment (although sometimes they can overlap), and it does not mean you have to let that person back into your life.
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  4. Magus
    Fuck that shit! They have to forgive me! NO way I'm forgiving them before they forgive me! Fucking aholes!

    "I ain't forgiving you first you pile of turd, you slept with MY WIFE!"

    That was after you stole my Red Dead Redemption 2 pre order package Stan, I had no other recourse

    "Alright, alright! Lets meet some place in the middle....you let me back into my home...stop sleeping with my wife, and stop telling my kids I ain't their real Daddy... and I'll give you back your collectors edition Red Dead.."

    Say it Stan, or Mary Sue here's going to get a whole lot more loving 'fore the sun goes down!

    "Alright, I'm sorry! You hear me you slimy backstabbing son of a bitch. I am sorry!"

    Well Stan that's...mighty kind of you....but...Up yours Stan! I ain't ever apologizing to you! I win!

    "You lying sack of!"
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  5. paperbackwriter
    How do you go about forgiving someone if the pain lingers? Is eternal expulsion from your life a valid Christian solution? (Magus)

    Have been mulling over this one for a while. I think it is. Honestly, we have to move on with our lives. I don't need this person in my head anymore. Piss off ! :)
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