"Multiculturalism has failed"

By Oscar Leigh · Oct 20, 2017 · ·
  1. Heellloooo again!

    So, I've heard this notion quite a few times in politics in this era of anti-immigration populism. So I'd like to delve into exactly what it means. What is meant by multiculturalism anyway? The basic definition of multiculturalism is rather simple. Google defines it as: "the presence of, or support for the presence of, several distinct cultural or ethnic groups within a society." Dictionary. com defines it as: "the view that the various cultures in a society merit equal respect and scholarly interest". The federal social services department of Australia defines it as "cultural and ethnic diversity". So other than some minor elements of encouragement policies it's mostly just literally have different ethnic groups and their cultures. Taken very literally and without charity, opposing multiculturalism would essentially imply genocide. I don't suppose that's exactly what we're talking about here. So what exactly is the often rather vague notion referring to?
    It seems to be used to refer to three things. The first is permissive immigration. Since it is most commonly occurring as a phrase in relation to Muslim immigration and the fear of terrorism, it's only natural that one of the primary things this phrase is used to mean is that right-wing supposed flaws of such policies are causing significant damages. So in this sense "multiculturalism has failed" means "Muslim immigrants are causing significant damages". Which as we can see by comparison isn't particularly good use of the definition. This is a specific and very policy-related notion that refers to specifics religious groups among an also select group.
    The second meaning that seems to be inferred is to do with diversity encouraging policies like quotas. Now again, this isn't really the failing of multiculturalism. It's the failing of specific policies. While some definitions do include a meaning that is specific to encouragement policies; it's not always clear that people are actually against all of what would be "multiculturalism" instead of merely elements of a specific multiculturalism. Indeed in some cases it's readily apparent they aren't really opposing all.
    And thirdly is the notion identified that people shouldn't have "distinct separated cultures" within the same country. This seems like a thin line of thinking. Either you are saying something blindingly obvious and portraying it as something more left-leaning people don't understand; that obvious being that people should accept some of the basic rights and principles of a liberal democracy when they exist in it. Or, you're saying what is at best too close to white nationalism; if you take it to mean broader and less pivotal cultural ideas as well. In either case, there is no way you can even get close to screening for such ideas in people's heads as refugees or enforcing people's thoughts once they're here. And I thought trying to control people's thinking was what right-wing people hated about leftwing social justice supposedly. Neither is it sensible to talk about more action-based crackdowns on those issues; because such activities already happen. At worst; you're talking about somewhat lacking solutions. Nobody does not accept the notion of rejecting known terrorists or stopping their terrorist actions. There's no general philosophical notion of "multiculturalism" where people oppose such obvious enforcement of moral and legal standards we already posses. At worse you've got a hodgepodge of idiotic left-wing extremists who are permissive but when they do gain undue influence over leftwing governments the symptom if we want to complain about Europe is incompetence. Sweden's main problem with refugees is that the government has done a comparatively terrible job managing and integrating the refugees but all of the most ideological stuff has nothing to do with an ideological goal of" multiculturalism" it's about fear of being called racists and perception of racism in others. No left-wingers believes Muslims should be allowed to rape women. They are simply afraid that people saying there's a Muslim rape epidemic are racist, and some people clearly are. Simply naming multiculturalism when discussing these issues does a great disservice to their complexity and does a great disservice to a much more general word.
    In conclusion, why exactly is this phrase so popular when it connects with such a general and very basic concept? Why would Angela Merkel, who has notably positioned themselves as moderates in comparison with the nationalist populist movement, use a term in a way that makes her sound like white nationalist? When did a word that in my upbringing in Australia has always been a symbol of our modern identity and not being racist become a hated buzzword? And why is it being used in ways that make it sound like a much more extreme concept than it is?
    We got anyone here who can provide some insight? Some sort of argument from that position?

Comments

  1. archer88i
    Multiculturalism is the idea that Canada can still be Canada when most of its people are no longer Canadian. The failure, in this case, is the fact that Canada is, in fact, not Canada once most of its people are no longer Canadian--or in any enclave wherein the majority population belongs to some other culture. The idea that people can belong to a whole--that being your country's (former?) dominant culture--while also adhering to their own cultural norms is simply not workable, as evinced by the recent surge in both female genital mutilation and birth defects in the UK.

    The one is simply not legal under UK law, but it's happening anyway because the people doing it have no respect for UK law and the UK has simply chosen not to prosecute them. The other is a huge drain on public health resources that was simply never planned for, because who the hell would fuck their own close relatives like that? Certainly no one in England--oh, wait. They aren't from England.
  2. Oscar Leigh
    Do you have evidence to back up the claim that there is a causative rather than simply correlative relationship between the factors? Or evidence for exactly in what way people are choosing not to prosecute?
    Also on that subject I've seen complains about people not trying to assimilate migrants into cultural norms but that's a very different thing from multiculturalism as a concept so again, why is multiculturalism the word? It's taking specific policy debates and intentionally evoking the notion of broader ethnic diversity. It's like trying to make yourself sound racist. Even with the potential policy implications of the word as it can be used that way it's still somewhat misleading. Why not simply name policies?
    Also on integration I'd argue the reality is you have to wait. Integration is much more second and third generation than first. Both for the adjustment of the immigrant and the adjustment of society to them being normal and respected as a ethnic group. Every immigration wave in modern history has involved tensions and we can't expect these tensions to go away very quickly or to not appear because they never do. Muslims is a tricky one because there are issues with the popularity of religious extremism but as the integration point itself makes the correct solution is not hostility. It's not a line of thinking that works for the argument of hostility because people don't integrate by being bullied it drives them into separation.
    Finally, define Canadian, eh? If people are born in Canada or earn Canadian citizenship they are Canadian. It's not like being born in Iran makes you have an inexplicable desire to mutilate female genitals. That's a social problem like any other than is not tied to race, nationality or religion but rather to certain elements within Iran's(and other countries) internal demographics and events. Thus the actual cause is something more specific which if you want to address you have to recognise and target more specifically. Specifically, what you're talking about is Wahhabism, which is largely propagated by certain powerful individuals. The irony being that this is the internal religious scholarship equivalent of the rise of populist nationalism; a fundamentalist right-wing ideology that has tends towards hostility towards certain demographics and foreign countries that has an uncomfortable association with violence. It is this religious strain that specifically needs to be addressed in a Muslim-reform movement that would achieve a productive result on this rather than simply vague fear. This would again also be aided by a generational integration. If the children of Muslim immigrants can follow the path of many asian and mediterranean immigrants in having increasing commercial success and broader diversity of jobs then this will be a powerful factor in creating a more integrated modern-living community because these conservative religious ideas breed in poor separated communities much the way gangs do. Affluent liberal communities are demonstrably better at rational harmony because they tap into modern lifestyles that are less religious and tribal. The reason people like Stephen Miller use the word "metropolitan" like an insult is because their rural targets live lives in communities where tribal divisions of all sorts are much higher and those people would rather blame it on the community who are better at integrating for supporting minority groups rather than face up to their own hypocrisy and unproductive attitudes. Hate breeds hate and islamic terror groups love nothing more for their propaganda than the west appearing the validate their claims that the only one who fights for muslims is them and everyone else is the enemy.
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  3. archer88i
    You gotta limit the wall of text thing, man. It was hard enough to read the article itself.
  4. Oscar Leigh
    Complicated arguments reauire complicated well, arguments from people. Though I could break things up more so it's in smaller segments.
  5. archer88i
    Can you not at least split it into paragraphs? I would propose that your argument isn't so complex it all belongs in the same one, and you simply aren't going to be convincing if you can't organize your thoughts better. On the rest of the site, you hit enter twice and it creates a break between blocks of text. Dunno about here, but I don't know why it would be different.

    Point by point through your response as I understood it:

    1. Do you have evidence?

    Let your fingers do the walking; I'm not your secretary. People have argued for decades that multiculturalism works and provided no evidence. Rather than asking me to provide evidence that it doesn't (can't prove a negative, remember?), why don't you provide some evidence that it does?

    As far as the idea that they're "correlative," we keep track of *whose* babies are born without ears, and *whose* babies get their clits cut off. We don't have to wonder, "Well, what if it's ethnically English people?" It's not. -.-

    And you *know* why the Crown has declined prosecution: they're afraid of looking racist.

    2. Why is "multiculturalism" the word people target when complaining that migrants fail to assimilate?

    Because, when you sold us "multiculturalism," you promised us they would assimilate.

    3. You have to wait. Integration is much more second and third generation than first.

    Actually, *terrorism* is more second and third generation than first. Our culture is so toxic right now that men who come from cultures (like Islam) that embrace heroic masculine ideals reject our culture entirely, and the more they see of it (...second and third generation men learn our language and are therefore exposed to more of what Western culture really is), the more they hate it--and the more they *fail to assimilate.*

    4. Finally, define Canadian, eh?

    You define it.
  6. Oscar Leigh
    You make a causation claim, you provide your evidence. I'll provide evidence for a claim when I make it.
    Provide some sort of study or example on these prosecution cases. How do I know these even happened? And what is the explanation from someone esle's point of view? Not just your spin on it.
    And finally if being here makes them hates us why is the primary hate movement in their home turf? And what evidence do you have of this reaction?
  7. archer88i
    lol.

    You asked why "multiculturalism" is blamed for the bad thing that have resulted from mass immigration. Now you want me to prove that mass immigration is bad.

    Do your own homework.
  8. Oscar Leigh
    Don't make an argument you can't back up and claims you can't source. I can provide my sources...
  9. Frazen
    Hmm, I just stumbled upon this blog entry. I have to admit that I feel kind of glad that archer88i is now banned. By "toxic" culture, I guess he means the current American culture is not tough and hardy enough (a claim which really makes me angry to the point of boiling) and it's been softened by the reverse of traditional ideals of masculinity, which I assume is LGBTQ? I have been reading Archer88i's comments for a while and he doesn't seem like the kind of person I'd like to have around, perhaps because he always wants to be tough, which also uncomfortably implies that he hates weakness. All of us humans are weak at some point in our lives. That's why we have laws to govern kids, who can't beat adults, laws to govern women against abusive relationships, or laws for animals who get tortured and butchered by humans. There are laws for governing athletic white males too, because of course they are weak in some ways. Simply being allowed to have a lawyer is an attempt to defend one against the more powerful authority of the"system". So if this archer dude is still around reading my comments, I want to tell him that the end of this strand of thinking, this worship of toughness, is at odds with humanism and the society encouraging egotism is not one he'd really like to live in.

    As a first generation immigrant and an Iranian female, I think I should make some noise here. It feels appropriate, especially since I live in Australia too. As someone who's directly gaining interest from multiculturalism policy, I would definitely defend it. I haven't seen much harm from it. Australia is a really fussy and a generally expensive country to migrate to; so aside from refugees who are randomly good or bad, most immigrants here are decent people, much better than Australian-born eshay druggies on the streets, in my opinion. Being from a country doesn't necessarily mean you're good for that country.

    I would also like to mention that assimilation or perhaps the more appropriate word "fitting in" needs definition. I've been listening to western music, watching western films all my life, and I've been an atheist since the age of 14 at which time I was living in Iran (many of my friends were atheists too, not just me). Is this considered fitting in? Since I was influenced by western culture before I would even come to Australia, it didn't really happen as an effort to "fit in". I was interested by it, quite like how I'm interested in the Japanese culture and animes. If this is not "fitting in", what "is"? And what type of culture is the dominant culture in a country-- for instance I hate footy, but is that really the main thing I'd have to like in order to live in Australia? And each country has their own definitions of fitting in and many people of that country have opposing definitions (like my colleague is a huge fan of footy; you can't talk to him about anything but sports, so how valid is his individual concept of Australianness?) By the way, I had never heard of FGM in Iran until I read your post. I'm not gonna say "No, it's not there" but it's not so common and definitely not part of Iranian identity.

    Thanks for your blog post. It was thought-provoking for sure.
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