Why do nice guys finish last?

By soujiroseta · Mar 6, 2008 · ·
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  1. This is going to be my first and hopefully not last blog post. At the moment there seems to be one thing that bothers me about relationships between men and women...why do the nice guys never win? This is not only a movie conception but a reality for many guys out there. How many movies have you seen where there's a girl who has her perfectly nice guy who doesn't drink, is committed, works hard and all of that stuff, only to run away with the rogue ex-boyfriend who cheated on her and showed up a week earlier leaving the "nice guy" stranded at the alter or something to that drastic effect. In truth i believe that women do not really want the nice guy but actually want the naughty, daring, risk-taking type, the only reason they don't regularly say so is to adhere to social norms and aim to attain things which are expected of them by others. In essence this sub-conscious desire is flattened by other people's perception of said female.

    Now this is not to say that there are not girls out there who want the nice guy, I'm sure there are but they are becoming extinct with every passing month. As a nice guy myself i have been screwed over so many times by man eating females that i wonder whether all the flowers sent to her workplace, spontaneous confessions of love and generally being the best i can is enough. Rather than wallow in self pity i would like to do something about it. A friend of mine used to be in the same boat and has since re-created himself and seems happy. He conceived that since the girls like bad guys he would become one of them, in my opinion it worked. He started from the bottom just generally showing not a care in the world for anyone, he became the proverbial "prick", but as much as girls hated him they wanted him even more, thinking "Oh i can change him" which was bull****. He would feign change just to get her into the sack, and then leave her heartbroken the next morning. I should've been unhappy but i wasn't. This went on for about a year. I never hang out with my friend anymore and don't know he's getting on, he would be pleased to know that i'm still getting screwed over, again and again, and would probably preach to me the way of the prick; but i doubt he's a happy guy, i wouldn't be happy....So if there's anyone out there who can tell me why girls don't like nice guys that'd be much appreciated.
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  1. (Mark)
    I can't tell you why it is, but I've noticed it as well. After having many conversations with people about this very subject, I have come to the conclusion that you have to act like you just don't care about anything when you're around the majority of girls. The real key here is confidence. If you're completely confident in yourself, it's not going to matter if you're the worst person on the face of the earth, you're still going to get attention from the other half.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm talking about girls in this post. When you get older, and you deal with women, you're not going to find yourself single for being a nice guy. Women go for nice guys. They recognize the enduring qualities that a nice guy has, and they find those more attractive than some guy who is the neighborhood tough guy.

    I think it really boils down to the fact that life is too short to deny yourself the earthly pleasures. If all of the girls around you don't want a nice guy, stop being a nice guy. I'm sure you'll be happier for it just like your friend is. If you continue to be a nice guy, you'll continue to be miserable as you continue to have girls tell you how great it is that you're such a nice guy as they cry to you when their latest boyfriend treats them terribly. Then they'll tell you how great of a friend you are when you're so miserable that you want to drive a car off a bridge. So, the moral of the story is stop being that guy. Let someone else take that responsibility.
  2. Torana
    Opposites attract!!!

    It's the only explanation I can give you. But don't despair. Eventually the nice guys wind up with the decent gf and they live happily ever after. But it is the same with us females you know. Us nice girls usually finish last...not that I'm nice though. I would never admit to being nice :p lol

    Nice guys usually end up being the best friends though and we really don't want to lose them as friends if the relationship goes sour. So that is something to keep in mind.
  3. RomanticRose
    Just stay in the game. For what it's worth, I'm marrying a very nice guy next week. There's not a bad boy in the world I'd throw him over for.
  4. Charisma
    Just because they finish last, doesn't mean you should go on and become a bad guy, IMO. I know, you want to get a in relationship, want to be noticed, blah, blah, blah....but is that more important than being a nice guy? If it is, then Connolly gave you a topnotch solution. If not, then hang on. If you're sincere as you claim it, you'll get it good. Good things come to those who wait.
  5. Keth Andril
    This is a problem I've had for a while too, and thankfully one of my close female friends was able to shed some light on it for me. She told me it had to do with spontaneity. Nice guys are predictable which leads to them eventually becoming boring. She told me that the guys she likes are "predictably unpredictable." She likes to be able to tell when someone is going to do something completely off the wall. It's solid and exciting. However, if you're too unpredictable, she says it becomes hard to take you seriously and trust you.

    Hope that helped shed a little light on the inner workings of the female mind for you.
  6. daryldarko
    I'm a lonely nice guy too, but I think my bad/sorry luck is more because I'm weird rather than boring. I don't even want to start to go into my story because it will just bring me down. Just know there is another brother here, wondering.
  7. Torana
    Back in my teen years I was a bit of a bad girl. I did drugs, I wagged school, drank alcohol at school and smoked cigarettes at school as well. I did it because it was who I was though, not because of peer pressure or the usual reasons, but because I purely wanted to. Nice guys avoided me cause I was trouble. Now I'm the opposite way around.
    I think that nice girls want a bad guy because yeah it is exciting, but then after a while you look back and you realise that you aren't really hving all that much fun and what you are doing is just stupid. It is a way to be rebellious against your family in one way. Heck that is why I got with a bad guy to begin with. To get back at my parents...didn't work though...go figure!
    Being a bad guy/girl attracts a certain type of male/female, the type you are better off avoiding. Not all us females go for bad guys, we prefer the nice guy, just you are usually hard to find and when we realise you are nice guys....you are either a really good friend and we don't want to lose that, or we've really messed up and hurt you and that is that.
  8. soujiroseta
    yeah i think its the fact that im relatively young and the 'girls' i go for are around my same age. this is probably a contributing factor as girls my age are probably looking for much older guys, and where i live there's not many girls younger than me. im actually doing my first year in university, so im at the bottom of the food chain.
    maybe its the whole girls mature faster than guys theory. connolly made a point that 'girls' might not like the nice guy but 'women' do, i can understand that statement. also keith andril made a point ive been hearing ever since i mentioned this to a friend of mine, the unpredictability thing. i think given the chance nice guys can be unpredictable.
    congratulations romanticrose!
  9. Sir Cameron
    Heh, I agree that's it's not so much the nice guy that girls don't like, it's the predictability. For example, my friend is a nice guy. We have a friend of ours who we think is utterly awesome and hasn't gotten the recognition for all the work she's done (she's a school teacher, and has helped the two of us a lot over the past few months). Her birthday came up, so we decided to through her a birthday week. Everyday leading up to her birthday we did something special for her. Made ridiculous cards, sang songs, anything and everything to embarrass her. But it was all spontaneous, it was exciting, and it showed her how much we appreciate her. ironically, she's quite the hard ass, yes we made her cry on multiple occassions.

    I'm also finding it the opposite for me. I have the capability to be a nice guy, I know how to do it, and even want to, but it just doesn't come across. I have this stigma that I'm the funny, womanizer guitarist, so anything I try do it isn't taken too seriously. All in all, really frusterating. I did do the whole bad boy thing, but not on a conscious decision. I literally stopped caring, especially about women. And the more mean I got, the more attention and girls I did as well. But I was miserable. I've changed (for the most part, that stigma remains, and I still have moments where it comes out) and I can honestly say, that I am insanely jealous of my friend for his ability to brighten people's days. But hey, life's a lesson.
  10. Cogito
    Bad boys are more exciting. But the nice guys are there when the smoke clears. It's not always easy to keep the nice alive, when you see the bad boys getting all the action, but you have one thing that will endure - you can look in the mirror without shame.

    Nice guys finish last, but that also means we are still standing when the bad boys are all burned out; and that is a lot sooner than they ever anticipate.
  11. AngryGirl6
    lol It's true; females like the excitement, but I think it's all based on your individual personality. I myself like guys that are fun, that drink, smoke, like to be daring, but when it comes down to it, if you're going to hit me or demean me or whatever, I'm not gona be your girl for long. I think what a lot of girls really want (myself included) is someone who can cater to their personal evolution of humanity (drama, fierceness, fighting) while still being gentle, which isn't the desired answer, I know, but I've found it to be true. Guys may be more aggressive, but hell man... girls like to fight. That's why we're like cats. We're territorial and we overanalyze and when a man comes into the picture that's drama-free and sweet, girls like to pick at him until they find something wrong. Which, unfortunately, usually tends to be his gentle nature.
    I don't think going the 'way of the prick' is the answer because if nothing else, you're being pretentious (?). It takes people awhile to find the right person for them... maybe you're just looking in the wrong place.
    Someone who's a 'nice guy' needs a nice girl, not to fake-out their personality in order to win some tail because I'm telling you right here and now, that sensitivity (which a lot of ladies look for, trust me) is eventually going to shine through. And by that point, you're going to have to prove your jerkness in some stupid, dramatic way, like fighting or worse.
    Then you're dealing with a whole new set of crap, like assualt charges. Ever tried telling a beautiful woman that you're trying to woo you're on probation? lol
    It usually doesn't go over well.
    Just hang in there man. :)
    The right lady'll come along.
  12. soujiroseta
    thanks angrygirl6 very helpful, your post makes a lot of sense to me...too much sense. the probation line was wicked:D
  13. glenndavie
    We all chase forbidden fruit. A bad guy's never truly in the bag.

    Now, a nice guy on the other hand, a guy who follows a woman's every need, she's got that lock and key.

    It's the way the world works.
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