Please stop with forced female heroines

Hohoho.
I can describe Bilbo Baggins in five words.
I can describe Sherlock Holmes in twenty words.
I can't describe most "strong" female characters with anything more than a single word: "strong".
And not for lack of being verbose.

 

So if in a conversation I say "George Bush is a moron" I am a double-standard-ed person unless I list the 7 billion other morons on Earth?

 

My problem isn't with forced female characters, but lazy ones. By having a female characters without flaws, you can say you have a "strong female" character, and put less effort in. It also gives you the ability to divert any criticism by saying its sexism, and certain crowds will leap to defend anything that's being attacked by sexists.

 

Star Wars is mindless entertainment. It follows the Marvel time formula and has no deep analysis.

 

It must be nice to be that wrong.
There's plenty of philosophy in it.

 

Bad comparison. I mean stories are subjective. If I am a scotch egg is objective.

Someone could argue all finctional stories are mindless entertainment. Not saying I agree, but that is the point of subjective. There is no objective answer. lol.

Slightly off topic but I recently had an sudden realization on the topic of mary sue. Because this one character in a TV show is often called a mary sue and you get all the common complains. Character never tries, and always wins, seems mostly perfect. The normal complaints.

At the end of the series I realized though, this was all a mislead! While you may not notice it in any one episode, the character was constantly getting more frustrated. They were losing there chrisma the entire time! Blew my damn mind! So subtle it s easy to miss, but they weren't perect, the environment was winning!

This is also bad logic. I mean, just because you don't see the value of a character doesn't mean the character has no value.

 

Go for it. Explain the philosophy of Star Wars.

 

I wanted to give this thread a chance, but I'm beginning to think I was being too optimistic.

Let's not veer too far into debating whether or not Star Wars is philosophical. That's way OT.

 

That reply doesn't even make sense? So male characters can't be criticised? Is that what you're trying to say...?
Look, I'm gonna go out a limb here and say you just don't like female protagonists in general, King Arthur because it seems like you have taken nothing that anyone has said with anything other than deflection. I get that you have an opinion, but why make this thread if you weren't willing to hear out other people's opinions. I mean I don't agree with a lot of people's opinions here, but I at least hear them out when we are debating, you are kind of going in weird directions with your arguments....

(Edit; honestly I'm not trying to come across as that rude here but I'm very bad at wording things in a way that isn't mean and rude)

 

The topic is worth discussing, just not with the OP.

Gotta recognize a troll when you see it.

 

I don't think he's a troll. He's been around for a while and acted in a believably serious way. I think he's just one of those people who's had very bad experiences with SJWs and now has a negative opinion of the whole civil rights thing with discrimination. Which is unfortunate. Because civil rights is a great cause.

 

-Well first of all it's blatantly the sci-fi version of the Cold War, which is already sending a message.
-Then there's balance. The sith aren't evil, they just have a different ideology and viewpoint.
To strike balance you need equal parts evil and good.
-No one is beyond redemption.
-The prophecy being wrong, for once. At least literally wrong, metaphorically I suppose not.
-Luke gets darker. The more towards the dark side he goes, the darker his clothes get (Breaking Bad does this veerry subtly if you look at every costume in every single episode.)
-The dark side (evil/sin/crime) is tempting and easier to abide to than good, but we must fight it.

 

I think it's pathetic to brand people you don't like trolls.

And no, I've not had any bad run-ins with civil rights since I know the difference between a SJW and a Civil Rights movement.
I do think CR movements are no longer required in the West. The last ones were equality for homosexuals and equity for women. Or at least, we should focus on supporting worse-off countries rather thn greedily focusing on ourselves. I don't believe in white privilege, I do believe in Western privilege.
The US has effectively returned slavery by imprisoning all the black people and hippies but I suppose that was inevitable.

 

It's got some philosophy just like it has some more complex character stuff, but generally it is a fairy tale. It's a space opera. That's literally it's genre.

 

Oh yes, it's not as if three out of four of my protagonists are powerful and complex women.

 

So it's not mindless entertainment.

Fairy tales are MEANT to have a philosophical morale behind them.
Little Red Riding Hood, Rumplestiltskin, Hansel and Gretel all have messages for children.

 

.... How do you not know anything about the continuing problems? Things have progressed but the the US is loudly conflicted over that progress. There's a solid minority, significant in numbers and power, that seeks to undermine the continuing efforts to remove barriers and promote respect. Just because it's not Iran doesn't mean it's perfect by any stretch.

 

Didn't say it was perfect, I said we seem to have done what we can and need to help other countries.

The US outlawed heroin and marijuana to send black people and hippies to jail, while conveniently white capitalist drugs (alcohol, tobacco) remained legal.
In prison they were subjected to forced labour without pay. Slavery.

I doubt all the rednecks will have a Eureka moment where they realise "gays are ok".
But for every ten of them there's a Mayella Ewell.

 

I agree other countries are a priority over the West, but not because we can't do anything more. Just because they have bigger problems.

 

Well don't wanna call @King Arthur a troll, but it has to be said that his way of creating threads always cause a some sort of a conflict (and all that negative energy loaded in them). So maybe, our leash, consider a different tone? It ain't entertaining or constructive. I pretty much always feel I wasted my time...

There's so much shite you put in; the whole attitude of "carve the d off from male characters, and you get a good female character". If that is how you make your characters, I don't believe your work is worth reading.

How much you can cut corners, and generalize? One could say your posts are lazy and badly written, no deeper thought put in.

To the topic itself... I tend to avoid books, or even games that market themselves with a tag of "strong female protagonist". Like someone here already said, it sells well now due to the market, because there are people who simply want that. But I dislike the fact that today you can get sales for having female protagonist. I don't care what gender the lead is, tell me the damn story and reason why I should buy it. There are 99 reasons and gender ain't one.

 

Good luck convincing half your country Trump is a moron.
I think you literally have more chances to win the lottery seven million times in a row.

@IllaridaArch Also, please read the rest of the thread. I explained I said that since male characters tend (TEND) to be better written.
If it was the opposite situation I'd have said write a female character and add a cock to have a strong male character.

Also, nice ad hominem.

 

*My* country. I think you've made a mistake here.
And no, his support is not half. It's about 20-40% I think. And trust me, making people give up on him won't be that hard. History tends to look back on those who stood against civil rights. Hitler's supporters are very small these days. The KKK is tiny. The world moves on.

 

Oh yes, the OP was way too provocative. That isn't how to start a reasonable discussion.

 

Whoops, I somehow read Australia as Atlanta... Sorry...

 

And onto the next evil.
Also, pretty sure Hitler was pro civil-rights, just not for races he didn't like.