Apologies to all the men in advance...

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  1. Cave Troll

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    Yeah this doesn't involve alcohol, they just like it.
     
  2. Homer Potvin

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    Hell, you don't even need to get hit there. Just sitting wrong or turning too quickly can do the trick. My best is when I tried to kick my skateboard up and catch it like Marty McFly in Back to the Future. It didn't work. I was maybe 10 and my mother heard me hollering from a block away. She came running. Dad had a slightly different reaction when he heard about it later. Something like, "That's what you get for jumping in my lap when you were younger."

    Good times!
     
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    She'd need to kick awfully high to get him in the bollocks from a prone position..and he only needs to move slightly for her to miss - also a kick in the nuts isnt the WMD that its made out to be, especially as if hes arroused his nuts will have tightened and moved up.

    Also hows he going to rape her with her feet tied anyway ... I'd have thought that legs forcibly spread was a more usual position.

    Personally I'd have a feet already free to facilitate the rape, but he doesnt know shes got her hands free because they are behind her. Then when he kneels over her with his trousers pulled down , she jams her thumbnail in his eye, rolls out from under him and runs
     
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    Valid points. I was imagining that he was about to kneel over her and then undo her feet, when he had more control based on body position. And I was picturing her kick like an upward stomp, where the bottom of her foot is what made contact. Does that make more sense?

    Edited to add: She's also a 17 year old who has never been in a physical altercation in her life. So yes, attempting to kick him in the nuts is the first thing that comes to her mind, as opposed to something more crafty like the eye-gouging.
     
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    My silliest one is probably flying packet of oreos...friend was trying to offer me some so chucked it over and managed to hit me at great speed in the worst possible place. :( Depending on the force, the pain can be quite crippling and can put a guy down for several minutes. I'd personally see a brief burst of swearing and then the voice cutting out a little as the guy has to lean on a wall perhaps to regain his senses. He won't be in much state to chase your MC down in any case. Of course guys have different pain tolerances so you'll have to decide how high his is in the situation, but it's not pleasant even for the toughest man.
     
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    She does kick, this infuriates him and he is more determined. She does gouge, and his blood drips upon her. However, the rope lies discarded or slung round her one foot. She hooks the rope over his windpipe and throttles him.

    Or somehow introduce a heavy-duty cable tie. They're unbreakable, and sadly used in suicide/or suicide games :(. You can't break them with your hands.
     
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    It's stories like this that make the difference between male and female reactions clear to me. I've seen dads get their balls stepped on by a baby and just about keel over, you've got your Oreos story, other people have their own experiences with very small amounts of force that led to horrible pain. That really, really doesn't happen to women.

    (Sorry to keep bringing it back to women... I'm like a man in an abortion thread always talking about what it's like for the man! Sorry! But... not all women!)
     
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    I've seen a groin-guardless guy drop down only once irl from a hit to the gonads, and he stood aside for a good while afterwards. He didn't fold or grip his nuts. Maybe to safe face? I've seen guys take a break even if they've been wearing a cup, so it really does seem like a very sensitive place. I mean, my hubby just guarded his nuts when the cat was climbing all over us on the bed 'cause its tiny paws are able to inflict terrible discomfort. :D
    In the OP's scenario, the guy might be riddled with adrenaline, so the reaction might not be as strong as in some other situation, but I'd imagine it'd still startle him and give the character time to scramble away, even save herself. While attacking the nuts isn't the end all be all self-defense technique, the groin still is a sensitive area and a good place to aim at.

    I was gonna write what @big soft moose already mentioned; would the rapist have turned his attention to the ankles pretty quickly 'cause he needs to untie them unless he does her from behind. So them being untied would be something he'd notice pretty quickly considering his intentions. If he's planning to turn her around, maybe she'd get the kick in while he's about to wrench her around?
     
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    How about this:

    "Cletus looked down at Kaelie and grinned. “You are a pretty lil thing,” he said. He threw her down and stood over her as he undid his belt. He drew his dagger and was reaching for her feet to cut the rope when he stopped. A confused look crossed his face.

    Kaelie took a deep breath. It’s him or me, she thought. And I choose me. Before Cletus could react, she kicked upward with all her strength. He emitted a kind of strangled grunt of pain, his face going pale and eyes wide. He bent over and curled up in the fetal position on the ground, still groaning softly. Kaelie scrambled backwards and stumbled to her feet as best she could with her hands still tied behind her. "


    Also, please suggest to me any other names for a medieval thug-for-hire who talks like a hillbilly besides "Cletus". It was the only name my poor brain came up with yesterday, lol.
     
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    Spud, Bubba, Jethro, Arliss... or we could just ask Cletus from The Simpsons himself:

     
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    Well, he could still rape her without penetration.
     
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    Lie on the floor and see how easy it is to kick hard upwards without bending your knee first .... its next to impossible. If you are on the ground the normal way to kick is to raise your thigh, bend your knee then explosively straighten the leg... but prepping to do that is kind of obvious.

    It might be more plausible to either hook and ankle or kick a knee to bring him to the ground then punch him in the nuts, or spring upright and stamp on them.

    Naming wise Billy Joe, Clete, Bubba, Bobby Lee..
     
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    For me this works.

    As for kicking from the ground, you do need to bend your knee. She's reacting on instinct, so maybe she'd just start kicking and scrambling and hope to hit anything that'd slow down her assailant enough that she could escape?

    A medieval thug-for-hire? Could you use a name that's common for the period and his social class?
     
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    my point was that as soon as she bends her knee its obvious what shes going to do and he simply steps back out of range.. thus "gathering all her strength she kicked upwards " isnt plausible
     
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    Maybe just do away with that?

    And she just starts kicking like mad? Abruptly, no telegraphing?
     
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    It really depends on exactly where one is hit. I once caught a soccer ball shot at full strength in the middle of the groin, and the pain didn't differ that much from taking a hit to the shoulder. I could feel my willy getting numb from the impact for a moment, but that was it really. Then again, my girlfriend once ticked her finger exactly at a testicle as a joke (Oh, the cruelty) and the pain left me incapacitated for about a minute. It was a really subtle tick, not like those high-school ticks against frozen ears or something. Really "soft". It felt like the sting of a needle at first, followed up by a nausea that almost made me faint. My knees went weak and I had to grab the wall to keep myself from falling. No classic grabbing of the crotch, wide eyes and o-shaped mouth though. The pain will make you want to bend over, but that may just be a natural reaction to protect the area involved. The key is a direct hit to the testicles. Miss those, and you will just hit other, less sensitive parts of the poor man.

    As for the reaction, a gasp, perhaps, a moan or a grunt. An inner alarm really goes off inside of your head which makes you focus on yourself. I've never seen them yell or scream, and neither have I myself. Cool scene!
     
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    The knee thing everyone is talking about-- just have her curled up to begin with. Especially if she already suspected what he was going to do before he bent down. Not to get ready to kick but to cover her crotch so he couldn't get to it. Or just because she's scared and sort of reverts to the fetal position. Or, have her kind of be trying to crawl backwards without him noticing before he turns, in which case her knees would be naturally bent from scooting. (Or the crawling back could just be the fear thing if she's against a wall.)
     
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    Personally... :whistle:
    I try to keep my feet, although stomping the ground tends to occur. Some words might slip out, mostly odd noises of distress.
    Oddly enough, I can't remember the hardest time I've been hit there, but it doesn't take much to hurt me, either.
     
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