Do you edit while you write?

Discussion in 'Revision and Editing' started by Alex Brandt, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. W.D.Wallace

    W.D.Wallace Member

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    I always write my quota for the day in the morning and edit it at night the break seems to allow me to see the mistakes easier
     
  2. joe sixpak

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    Can you see the plot holes and superfluous stuff that will need to be deleted that way ?
    What is the advantage to editing so soon instead of after the draft is finished ?
     
  3. ChickenFreak

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    The government has CMMI requirements for writing books? Really?

    I know they don't. That's sarcasm. However, are you aware that the "waterfall" process for writing software is rapidly giving way to other processes like Agile, where you make iterative changes, rather than writing the whole thing in one fell swoop?

    You're recommending the equivalent of a waterfall process for writing books, while that process is rapidly going out of fashion for writing software.

    Software development does not support your argument; you'd do better to run away from that analogy.
     
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  4. ChickenFreak

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    You've changed your argument. You've gone from the idea that there's one and only one best way to write a book, to "pantsing" versus not pantsing. Those are two fundamentally different arguments.

    However, your argument is invalid for other reasons. A doctor saves lives. A house has to stay standing. A novel just has to give pleasure to the reader. They're fundamentally different.
     
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    Lord of all Logic in the Known Universe smite him. :)
     
  6. joe sixpak

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    Not for books. But they do have documentation standard and other constraints if you write for them.

    Agile is provably erroneous and guarantees longer term problems for hoped for short term benefits.

    Waterfall beats agile 24x7x365.25.
    The best is the double helix that uses dynamic programming like process to optimise the design.

    I am trying to find a process that works and can be taught to students. Just telling them to Nike is a failure from what I observe.
     
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    I would say a novel has to be published and sell well to have been worth the effort.
    I can get more krappy kindle novels than I could ever read if I just wanted some novel.

    Logically there is only one best way.
    People are free to use less optimal methods but that does not stop the best way from still being best.
     
  8. ChickenFreak

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    OK, so you were never the least bit serious about making sense in this argument. You're trolling. Got it.
     
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  9. ChickenFreak

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    Yes, I understand that you're trolling. You don't need to keep proving it.
     
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    Nonsense. I am serious. You are insulting me because you have no logical response.
    Sorry but 45 years as a systems architect and I know what methods work and how well they work and the problems with them.
     
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    You don't understand anything. Your defense is to claim someone trolls when you can't reply logically.
     
  12. ChickenFreak

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    A logical response to your illogic is pretty much impossible. And your years as a system architect have no applicability to writing novels.

    'Bye, now.
     
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    My experience is fully applicable to deciding how well a method works to achieve the goal. Which subject domain I am analysing is irrelevant.
     
  14. ChickenFreak

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    So, returning from the land of the moon and the green cheese, I tend to edit when I hit a transition, such as the end of a scene or a moment in a scene, or when I'm feeling that the mood and flavor of a bit of writing is drifting.

    I might use the metaphor of paint--as in a painting, not painting a house--drying. I have an idea, and when it's fresh and lively in my brain, I "paint" it. But that idea is going to fade in my mind (the paint is going to dry), and when it does, I want the dry painting to reflect, to some extent, what I was thinking. If the mood and flavor is wrong, my thoughts may be lost entirely. So I often edit in the same hour that I wrote the bit; if not, I like to get back and edit in a day or two.

    That doesn't mean that I won't re-edit everything repeatedly.
     
  15. ajaye

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    Writing fiction is a creative process, it can't have one singular best way for everybody in the universe. It just can't.

    *sucked into the vortex*
     
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    Holy fuck dude, you have like four threads going on where all you are doing is pissing people off.

    Do you even write? If so, post some your 'optimal' work and show us all how it is done.

    Also, I believe my advice of you saying "I'm not as good as I think." Every day for 30 days straight still needs to be applied to your 'Optimal Method.' I found it works best when you say it to yourself while standing in front of a mirror when you wake up in the morning. In your case, however, you might want to make it 90 days straight and do it when you wake up and right before you go to bed.
     
  17. Laurin Kelly

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    So you've had how many books accepted for publication, or traditionally published or self-published with significant sales? LINKS PLEASE

    Unless that's not your goal? In which case, what is the goal you've achieved in the above quote?
     
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    The last time he blew through he claimed to have worked in publishing for forty years. A good liar needs to have a great memory.
     
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  19. ChickenFreak

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    Heh. Using the same username?

    I concluded earlier today that he's almost certainly younger than 18.
     
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    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    Don't you remember him? He's the "If you use text-to-speech software it will sound like we're talking" guy who wouldn't use capital letters!
     
  21. ChickenFreak

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    Oh, dear God. That one. So he learned to punctuate and then he had to find another way to annoy.
     
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  22. BayView

    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    To be fair, he was an annoying know-it-all back then, too. It was just harder to notice because the grammar issues were so distracting...
     
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    Oh dear lord, say it isn't so.
    Though based on the evidence
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    Same age, same arrogance.
     
  24. Dr.Meow

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    I had a suspicion about this user... lots of posts, not very many "likes" and when he does post, it's a flood... Then a bizarre recount of university classes? I'm confused, I don't like to call people out unless they deserve it, so...
     
  25. BayView

    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    No, like - same username!

    I'm not being a detective or anything. It's just the same guy, flat out.
     
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