Individual existing in seperate timeline

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  1. Spacer

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    Why can you see him, when he sees and interacts with the future? The future people see him just fine, but you can’t see them, right? Do things in your present affect him also?

    It would only make sense if he was in both times. Maybe not equally: the past people see him as ghostly and things can pass through him with some resistance, but future people see him as normal solid. He sees the past people as they see him, at the same time as the future people.

    Now are you planning on allowing causality violation? It would be easy for him to communicate to the past.
     
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    Where there is mass, space-time curves. What if some force curved one character's space-time more than other characters'? It's not that he / she gained weight. Just a force scaling his / her mass while increasing his / her space-time curvature. One character's space-time might curve back on itself thus producing the two-places-at-once paradox.
     
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    Nature need not care about our comfort.
     
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    Space can not overlap with itself in relativity, every point is unique.

    Also, just to correct what you said. Where there is energy there is curvature. Relativity has no concept of mass.

    Also being in two places at once is not a paradox, it’s very much required to be allowed in the math of QM.
     
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    Yes it is! The equals sign works both ways. I don’t think we have MathJax or anything like that here, but see Wikipedia for the EFE (in the green box).

    The curvature is determined by the mass/energy. Equally true, you can read it as the mass/energy is determined by the curvature. If you cause space to bend, it will behave to all intents and purposes as if there was a mass in that region, even if the source of that mass/energy was something out of the ordinary.
     
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    It only works because gravity is part of the equation for weight and you’ve altered gravity.

    It’ll act as though there is mass only gravitationally. There is an anomaly like that in the universe we call the great attractor (its probably a big mass, but we’re not sure.)
     
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    Many people have been saying it and trying to include 4th dimensions. But it’s sinply that 30min ahead would live and perceive anything from that timeline. So there is no possibility in having any crossing information/energy. So the person goes forward in time 30 min and has further no influences on the environment in terms of paradoxes. If he/she would go back in time they’d create/enter a different parallel universe and again has no influence on the environment, or everything that happened will happen again meaning there would be no free will and everything is destined to what it is.
     
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    I think you’re proposing that the anomaly is a violation in the weak equivalence principle.
     
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    Not at all. There is almost certainly a very large cluster of galaxies there, we simply can’t see it. It’s because the Milky Way’s core is in the way.
     
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    It seems that we're all thinking about this with a lot of physics and how it would work in our world. May I give justification to how it could work within the realm of a world with similar physics.

    Gravity warps space time (I think), black holes are objects that are so dense that their gravitational pull is incredibly strong to the point light photons can't escape its pull. Wormholes are theoretically made of two points with an interconnected tunnel in the middle, the entrance is a black hole, in which the gravity acts like regular mass, the exit would be a white hole, which has intense repulsive gravity, these objects have such intense gravity that is warps space-time into itself, allowing objects to be in two places in the same time.

    Using this, you (the author) could create some "science" to show why the person is stuck in two spots of time. And as to the question of whether he can be physically changed in the "past". In this scenario, yes, because he's technically in full body, part of the past and future at the same time. And as for parallel universes, just remember that time and space are connected as particles in a certain position at one point in what we perceive as time. In this case you wouldn't have parallel dimensions per se, as this would have to be decided by the author whether it uses the multiple timeline rule, or everything happens in the same timeline and everything someone did in the past is perceived as always happening.

    That was my spiel, there's no need to go into real world physics when the author can build a world in which the science fits, just not here. Good luck with that. (If any of the stuff in my post is incorrect, well, just ignore the second paragraph)
     

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