gay MC and sex scenes

Well, since the UCLA study (I was faintly surprise to find that at least there was one) doesn't seem to state any such conclusion, I won't be doing that.

You could, of course, break your apparent policy against supporting your statements. You could provide specific links and quotes, and then we could discover what part of the study you misunderstood.

 

You say that, but Statistics Canada reported a 93% drop in the suicide rate of transgender teens with strongly supportive parents. So, you say one thing, but actual statistics say otherwise. Wait I think I already have your rebuttal.

 

I’m mostly into W/W fantasy romance, which is what my WIP is.

I recently finished reading The Tigers Daughter. It’s basically about a relationship between a Nobel girl and a girl living as a nomad. There was a smex scene featuring the two main characters. It was amazing in all its detail and totally fit into the narrative of the story. There needs to be more W/W M/M fantasy.

Don’t force it, try to write it in a natural way, or add tension with dialog or conflicted feelings.

My two main characters, Rose and Lyla fall in love and they do get to third base, and even home plate by the end of the book. Dialog and using their senses is key.

 

Quote from said study: "Respondents who experienced rejection by family and friends, discrimination, victimization, or violence had elevated prevalence of suicide attempts"

Yeah. That totally agrees with you. Sure.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

 

Smex?

 

And you completely ignored the part where the suicide attempts remained almost virtually the same when they experienced acceptance.

 

I don't think you know how statistics work, if you did then you'd take into account just how many people with Gender Dysphoria are living in Canada compared to the USA. But then again, you did link a video title "facts are meaningless".

 

We could just read box 12 and find out that the suicide rates didn't change before and after acceptance/transitioning.

Couldn't we?

 

That's because I see no such thing. I read the executive summary and skimmed the rest, and found no such thing. Then I searched for the words "acceptance" and "accept", and found no such word in the whole document.

Maybe, again, you could break your policy against backing up your assertions and actually offer quotes.

 

You've read what you wanted to read. The attempted suicide rates remain the same and it doesn't matter how well accepted they are, they still attempt suicide anyway. It's a fact that people don't like to accept because it breaks the narrative that all we need to do is shut up and just accept them.

 

Are we reading the same study? Table 12 doesn't seem to refer to either acceptance or transitioning. (Are you equating transition with societal acceptance? That sounds like your very own definition.)

 

So, clearly, your policy against supporting your arguments will be continued.

Is it possible that this is because you've started to re-read the study and found that it doesn't actually support what you're saying, at all? Of course, we can't even know if we're talking about the same study, because you're above confirming that sort of thing.

 

Oh, my bad. Yes, I meant transitioning and this brings up an even more urgent issue. It seems to me that the study is also implying that even if they do look the way they want to look, even if they do act the way they want to act and change their name or whatever, it seems that they need the full support and acceptance from everybody around them in order to not break down and attempt suicide.

Now, in what world is that normal? You or I don't need constant reassurance and acceptance from others in order to live a normal life, but they do otherwise they cannot function properly. How is that not an issue in society? How can anyone work effectively when they need people to participate in their delusions? How can they even do day to day tasks such as grocery shopping or going to the doctors? What happens if the doctor refers them with their real gender pronouns?

You see, when we talk about acceptance and bullying, we assume it's like how the Nazis treated the Jews or how the slavers treated the Africans. In reality, it looks a little more like this: they are misgendered or somebody refuses to use the preferred pronouns, they are not treated like the gender they want to be treated as, they are not seen as the gender they want to be.

That is a very different scenario from what we've got here which is implying that family abuse involves disowning or physical/mental trauma. When in reality, the family continues referring to them as their actual gender regardless. To be driven to attempting suicide over that? It's clear there's something else going on here. I'm not sure if you're unaware or just don't want to be aware of how insane that is, that they need their families, friends and everybody they speak to participate in their self-image otherwise they fall apart and we get the 41% suicide rates we see in that study.

Do you realize that? They're not very well adjusted individuals that can function properly on their own. They need constant reassurance, they need constant care, they need constant mental health support, they need everybody to act their role in their fantasy worlds otherwise it all comes crumbling down for them.

I'm sorry but you make no convincing points that prove their sanity is anywhere close to normalcy.

 

"Lifetime suicide attempts were less prevalent among respondents who said they had been generally treated with respect by law enforcement personnel."
"A lower than average prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts (33%) was found among respondents who said their family relationships had remained strong after coming out (see Table 17)."
"As shown in Table 16, an elevated prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts was consistently found among respondents who reported negative work experiences related to anti-transgender bias. Prevalence was found to be especially high among those who said they had experienced work-based physical violence (65%) or sexual assault (64%)."
"A higher than average prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts was consistently found among NTDS respondents who reported that they had been harassed, bullied, or assaulted in school by other students and/or teachers due to anti-transgender bias (see Table 15)."
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So when this study you've been basing your argument off of says that lifetime suicide attempts are higher or lower depending on how well or poorly they've been accepted, then that definitely means that suicide attempts are absolutely virtually unchanged. I see. It's all coming together. Thank you for putting this in such a light. I can't believe it. What a fool I was. I surely wouldn't want to be me right now. Boy is my face red. Etc...

 

That is not remotely the same concept as "acceptance". Not remotely. I would wonder if English is your first language, except you said:

So it appears that you do understand what the word "acceptance" means. You choose to utterly ignore and contradict the way that the study uses that concept, and to claim that it states things that it does not. But you do seem to know the word's dictionary meaning.

See, the person who seems to be frightened, in fact somewhere near abjectly terrified, of different world views, is you.

 

I'm glad you've accepted this piece of data. Yes, it is coming together that what I'm saying is right. It has shown that people with Gender Dysphoria require people to participate in their self-image in order to function as a human being in society, something that is abnormal and insane. Which goes to show that Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness that does in fact, inhibit peoples' ability to function and operate in society if we have such a drastic suicide rate like the 41% number seen in that study.

 

It's abnormal and insane to want to be treated with respect by law enforcement personnel?
To want strong family relationships?
To dislike workplace harassment, violence, and sexual assault?
To dislike harassment, bullying, or assault in school?

Wow.

Well, if you enjoy bullying by law enforcement personnel, want to reject all family relationships, and actively seek harassment, violence, and assault...

Well...

I really can't call you the picture of mental health.

 

I've provided you with an argument, it's there for you to argue with. I am not afraid of a Schizophrenic's fantasy because people are not seriously considering laws and bills to force me to participate in their delusions. I don't have to tick a certain parameter on the form that was not there before due to Schizophrenia. But I am afraid that their altering of the language to indulge in their deep fantasies is harmful to society and will make us lose sight of what and what isn't real anymore.

 

I think I've explained what all this "bullying" and "abuse" really consists of in reality. It consists of misgendering, not using correct pronouns, not treating them like the gender they want to be and so on.

Families, law enforcement, workplaces, schools all legally don't have to use your preferred pronouns or treat them as the gender they think they are. We are 100% legally in the right to refer people as their biological gender since it is a fact and not a product of a hate crime or discriminatory act. It isn't discrimination if it's true, it isn't a hate crime or bigotry if it's true.

If that's what you consider bullying then I'm afraid I have some very bad news for you.