Reversed ION Lifter to create internal Artificial Gravity A setting Idea to create Gravity within a Spaceship without using centripetal acceleration. Does this sound plausible? Electrogravitics and the Biefeld-Brown effects come in for heavy criticism as wobbly science due to poor results in vacuums. When used in an atmosphere the results good, but are often attributed to the ION drift instead of anti-gravity. In a pressurized Craft ceiling panels are big electrodes. In the floor panels are small electrodes. Using an asymmetric capacitor with the positive electrode larger than the small electrode that's negatively charged, we create a high voltage current DC between them. An Ion Wind is created going from the ceiling to the floor with objects in between obeying Newton’s First Law and are pulled to the ground. That’s the rough idea. Some notes below to read/watch but I think I could make it believable. The centrifuge spin ships need huge rings unlike they are portrayed in 2001 etc… Let me know what you think Norfolk nChance http://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/SpinCalc.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld–Brown_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrogravitics How to Make/Build a Lifter or Ionocraft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZy1Aqleno How Ion Propulsion, Lifters and Ionocrafts Work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01F8V5IhB5k
If the machines in a sci-fi story actually had to work, no one would have written a single word, but the links are interesting. Thanks.
I think you aren’t quite understanding what is happening in this effect. The high voltage capacitor can produce enough of an electromagnetic field to ionize the neutral air around the capacitor. This iron is then pulled down towards another piece of metal. Forces have to come in pairs so the metal ring at the bottom is pulled towards the atoms as well, this creates thrust. That’s it. If you enclose the air supply within the craft itself, you elongate the thrust, it’s essentally like trying to blow your own sail. The forces will cancel out. Also, a vertical wind may keep someone on the ground, but it certainly doesn’t simulate gravity. The load on your feet may be right, but your guts are still floating.
@newjerseyrunner Thanks for the reply fella. I was thinking as you guessed of an enclosed atmosphere in Space as the key. Your reply of essentially blowing your own sails a great analogy. It feels like there is something to be juggled around with... Any thoughts or theories maybe or just a non-starter? I keep thinking on the ISS, if they built the toy lifter what would happen? Also setting an object in motion to pass through the triangle between the electrodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzZy1Aqleno&t=41s again, thanks for the feedback. N.
I loved the videos, Thank you, Norfolk The high voltage of the electric field and the flying course so unstable make the system a little messy in the real world, but sounds like a nice idea for some sci-fi classic devices like speeders (hovering cars like in Star Wars), elevators (lifters), or even to dislocate mechanical inner parts of some giant robots or something like that. The ion propulssion can also be applied to ion guns and weapons in atmospheric environments. (What would be the effect of being shot by a thin stream of atoms at huge velocity?) But, whethet is possible to move a ship in space with so few atoms around, I have no idea.
can an electricity charge change the mass of an object? We charge an object in space and it acts like an empty battery. Will the battery weigh more in space when fully charged? Storing the electrical potential energy does it increase the mass of that object. Its gravitational attraction would increase if yes, due to the larger mass. The electrons have tiny amounts of mass, not really increasing the objects weight but the static charge build up might. Like @Artifacs highlights high voltage fields could be a little messy… So, imagine a spaceship with a large rechargeable battery made of some dense metal. Using the Ion idea as well to create a gravitational pull in the same direction as the engine thrusters. Like a skyscraper tower with the engine in the lower floors, instead of the traditional side-on naval ship style. When under engine thrust creating gravity through acceleration, the batteries potential energy is used within the process making its mass lighter. The re-charge effect post thrust would use the Ion reverse system to recharge the battery and create still a gravitational pull towards the engines as the battery’s mass increases once again. I can’t think of another way at the moment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-to-charge_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reissner–Nordström_metric
There is some circular logic in the previous post. You fail to take into consideration the charge up, the energy to do such a thing requires energy to be built up and moved which will just blow your own sail again. Also, while electric charge does increase mass, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how and by how much. The extra mass does not come from extra electrons but from extra energy in the field. Energy gravitates too but it takes a LOT of it. For example: empty space around a magnetar (the most EM energetic object in the universe) has about 10000 times the gravitational force as the same amount of space filled with lead. Also, an EM field of that strength can rip atoms apart, so you wouldn’t survive.
