Tags:
  1. Stormsong07

    Stormsong07 Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    1,724
    Location:
    Texas

    Punctuation help....

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by Stormsong07, Jan 8, 2019.

    Re-reading my story and found a couple places where the punctuation gets a little dodgy. Can you guys help me with this?

    Sentence 1:

    She had been pleased to discover that she was actually fairly decent at archery- all those years of hauling flour sacks left her quite capable of drawing even the heaviest of bows- something the Bowmaster had been happy to find out.

    I don't think the hyphens are quite right. Should I separate it into two sentences somehow? (FYI the Bowmaster is the master of archery, aka her teacher in a medieval soldier training environment)

    Sentence 2:


    “Elodie, this means my father was...is? most likely nobility.”

    The character speaking doesn't know who her father is or if he's alive, so she's questioning what word to use mid-sentence. Does this work with the question mark in the middle?
     
    CerebralEcstasy likes this.
  2. Cave Troll

    Cave Troll It's Coffee O'clock everywhere. Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2015
    Messages:
    17,922
    Likes Received:
    27,173
    Location:
    Where cushions are comfy, and straps hold firm.
    She had been pleased to discover that she was actually fairly decent at archery; all those years of hauling flour sacks left her quite capable of drawing even the heaviest of bows, something the Bowmaster had been happy to find out.

    Or

    She had been pleased to discover that she was actually fairly decent at archery. All those years of hauling flour sacks left her quite capable of drawing even the heaviest of bows,/. something the Bowmaster had been happy to find out.


    “Elodie, this means my father was...is...most likely nobility.”

    Or

    “Elodie, this means my father was...is? Most likely nobility.”

    Just my ideas, and I hope I helped in either sentence. :)
     
    Stormsong07 and Shenanigator like this.
  3. thirdwind

    thirdwind Member Contest Administrator Reviewer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    7,859
    Likes Received:
    3,349
    Location:
    Boston
    For the first sentence, I agree with Cave Troll's method of splitting it up and using either a period or semicolon.

    For the second sentence, I don't know the rule off the top of my head, but I think you also need an ellipsis on the other side:
    You could rephrase it somehow to avoid this issue. You could also use a parenthetical aside, though I know some people don't like this in dialog:
     
  4. Iain Sparrow

    Iain Sparrow Banned Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2016
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    1,062
    I think this is how the sentence ought to read. The speaker isn't asking a question.

    “Elodie, this means my father was . . . is, most likely nobility.”
     
  5. Seven Crowns

    Seven Crowns Moderator Staff Supporter Contributor Contest Winner 2022

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2017
    Messages:
    2,006
    Likes Received:
    3,705
    The above would be my fix too. It's very elegant.

    It's still kind of a question, though a bit softer. I believe by this . . .
    I know it's not one of the four example words, but that was a such as example, I think "is" counts when used this way.

    There are lots of other approaches. This is how they would have done it in the 19th century. They were pretty fond of this structure.

    Elodie, this means my father was . . . is? most likely nobility.
    Basically what you already had! heh. And the italics could still go there too if you wanted. CM16 still shows this construction as being legal. It's okay to have lowercase after a question mark in certain sentences. Their example is (from 6.69 again):

    Is it worth the risk? he wondered.​
     
  6. Iain Sparrow

    Iain Sparrow Banned Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2016
    Messages:
    1,107
    Likes Received:
    1,062
    I sort of viewed it as the speaker having a little revelation as she was speaking. Either that or she was in a wistful mood. Also, I think the device works best with younger characters. It's hard to imagine a hard-bitten or worldly character talking in such a whimsical manner.

    I did something similar some months back. The more you can do with dialogue the better . . . I always say.:)

    “I knew a courtesan, a close friend of the queen,” Rosemarie said, trying to keep the pride from her voice. “Know a courtesan, that is. Mademoiselle Valerie.”
     
  7. Stormsong07

    Stormsong07 Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    1,724
    Location:
    Texas
    Thanks everyone. I like @Cave Troll 's second example for the first sentence. I think dividing it into two makes it read easier. And I didn't know that bit with the italics, but I like how it looks. Thanks @Iain Sparrow and @Seven Crowns. @thirdwind I appreciate you weighing in, but I like what Iain is saying about the wistful mood/younger character. I think the italics show her hoping he is alive.
     
  8. Poziga

    Poziga Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    300
    Location:
    Slovenia
    Didn’t want to open a new thread for a question this simple, but how do you punctuate the following speech. It’s not a dialogue in itself, it’s a part of a description, but right afterwards, I begin with an actual dialogue.

    Downstairs, Megan was eating her breakfast, a bowl of chocolate cereal as sweet as her Good morning!

    I just put Good Morning! in italics, but don’t know if it’s right.
     
  9. Surtsey

    Surtsey Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2019
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    24
    Downstairs, Megan was eating her breakfast. "Good morning!"

    That's how it's punctuated but sentence itself is very clumsy with regard to POV (Camera).
     
  10. EBohio

    EBohio Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    871
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    Ohio
    I like this better:

    Megan was downstairs eating her breakfast. "Good morning," she said in a voice as sweet as her chocalate cereal.
     
    Poziga likes this.
  11. EBohio

    EBohio Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    871
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    Ohio
    Megan was downstairs eating her breakfast. "Good morning," she said in a voice as sweet as her chocolate cereal.
     
  12. Surtsey

    Surtsey Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2019
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    24
    It's all terrible. Sorry. It's one of the worst segues I've ever read.

    I could explain why but the regulars would report me - I'm already on a warning.
     
  13. EBohio

    EBohio Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    871
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    Ohio
    Yeah, you're trolling.
     
  14. Surtsey

    Surtsey Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2019
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    24
    If you can't see the problem - I can't help you. I've corrected the punctuation what else do want without me charging a fee?
     
  15. big soft moose

    big soft moose An Admoostrator Admin Staff Supporter Contributor Community Volunteer

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2016
    Messages:
    22,612
    Likes Received:
    25,913
    Location:
    East devon/somerset border
    If i'm honest the who comparison to the chocolate cereal sounds forced .. 'Megan looked up from her breakfast, "Morning" '

    Its probably also not necessary to say downstairs since that is where people usually eat breakfast
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice