Giving up genre...

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  1. Fallow

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    Actually, I see very little difference between the confrontational tone you choose when you are angry and confrontational tone you use when not angry, which includes charming phrases like "Come on," or "strange and stupid". Or when you feel the need to correct people about very minor misunderstandings between when you are or are not referring to audiobooks.

    So I don't think you're angry, because you said you weren't. But you were writing like someone angry.
     
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    Was I though? Maybe. How many arguments ya been in this week? I'll cop to half the blame, but I think it's time you and I commence ignoring each other completely, because I'm way over my yearly outrage quota. Between you and XRD, I find myself in the cage far too often of late. [redacted] I don't want to be the third wall of your anger triangle. I should learn to keep my mouth shut in the face of antagonistic nutbaggery, because, as you know, I fire back. I'm not above it. I wish I were, but I'm not. You get my goat, man. I don't like it. I can't even tell when you're misunderstanding me and when you're flicking me in the back of the ear like a third grade bully. You'll never hear me say this about anything else ever, but I'm definitely too old for that shit.
     
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    I don't recall asking you to report anyone. I also don't recall doing anything to you aside from saying "I don't think you're using that term like everyone else," which you found incredibly offensive.

    I haven't said anything intentionally (or otherwise) rude to you. I don't know why you continue to get upset so easily about minor differences of opinion, but you come off as super sensitive about everything. Which is weird because you use fighting words almost constantly while seemingly being unaware of them or their effect on how people are likely to perceive you.

    I think you're a thoughtful person and enjoy your perspective, but you ought to put on your critique hat and re-read your posts and my posts with an eye to "which is the belligerent character?" I would much rather continue to have straightforward discussions about whatever without the seemingly constant risk that I am going to misphrase something minorly and receive another accusation. You are really, really touchy. And that shouldn't be something that needs to get discussed in a thread about writing and would rather we could get back to impersonal topics.

    My main sin on this board, which I have received a great deal of grief for, is pointing out what I think are errors of fact. A few people seem to have zero tolerance for being contradicted and get explosively upset about it. Don't let those people color your perceptions, because my posts are almost totally impersonal.
     
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    (You know, in case you were wondering which of us was rubbing more people the wrong way as of this post.)
    Maybe I am. As I said, I should learn not to engage.
    You suggested I take a look at the way I talk to people, which is fair. Is it possible that you're not saying things in impersonal ways?

    It's not really going to hurt our feelings if we're not buds, is it?
     
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    I can't speak for you, @Rzero, but:

    "I'm tired of your diatribes," Geralt said.
    Jersey's face turned red. "What? I don't post--"
    "Oh, did that offend you?" Geralt snorted. "You are really, really touchy."
    Jersey stared for a moment, then burst into tears.
    Lila's jaw dropped. "Jersey--"
    "He was finally right about something," Jersey sobbed.​

    Completely fictional example, of course. But writers do need to be aware of when the words they have there characters speak will be taken personally.
     
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    Jesus, dude.
     
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    I apologize if the Old West Bar whiskey bottle trope offended you, it was there for humor.
    Perhaps comedy isn't my forte.

    But do you disagree that "your diatribes" and "you are really, really, touchy" would generally be taken personally?
     
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    No, I got it. You still get a "Damn, Gina!" for the violence alone, and that's a downgrade.
     
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    Certainly. But all anyone seems to want to point at is a sentence or two about some impersonal subject with no insulting language and no intent on my part to insult.

    No. I would prefer if everyone could post about topics here without deriding anyone in the process. It is just that disagreeing with someone isn't derision, and doesn't deserve broad denouncement and angry declarations.

    Or satire.
     
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    Okay, I fixed it. Jersey's a sensitive guy, he bursts into tears instead.
    [Edit: what's "Damn, Gina!" a reference to ??]
     
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    BTW, I'm concerned about this. What did I say that lead you to believe I wanted you to report anyone?

    I'll take my lumps for anything I do that is wrong, but I feel like things keep being said to promote a narrative that really doesn't seem to involve any of my actions.
     
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    Don't be. Forget it. Maybe I'm remembering something you said about his behavior as a call to arms that it wasn't. I don't care enough to dig through the activity history. Suffice it to say, I've never reported anyone for anything, but if I did, it wouldn't be because they hurt my feelings, and it certainly wouldn't be because someone wanted me to gang up with them.
     
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    Part of the problem I'm having here is that people are saying things about me that simply aren't true, like you just did. And then other people read that kind of thing and believe you wouldn't have said it if it wasn't true.

    But it isn't true, and it is damaging to my ability to be heard from what I say rather than what some people want to make it appear that I'm saying. So I would ask you to be more circumspect about the words you put in others mouths. I can't imagine not being able to remember who was telling me to report people.
     
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    I'll do you one better. It's been redacted entirely. As to how I could forget? Never underestimate the ADD. If I mistakenly remembered you being one of the people who told me to report a person I was arguing with in the past week, I apologize. I don't argue a lot, but definitely more than I should, and way too often in the last week or so. You should probably still know that I've only had arguments with the two of you, and while I thought they came to less than acrimonious compromises, there are people who want you both banned. People hate me too, I'm sure.
     
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    No surprise there. And the mods have talked to me. Nice folk, very reasonable.
    So though it goes against decades of Internet habits and my professional training, I am trying to do better.
    Feel free to remind me of that when you think it might be helpdful to do so:
    "Hey, XRD, didn't you say you're trying to be less of an ass? Well, try harder."
    And I'd like to think that at least a few of my posts have helped people.
     
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