Thanks for this! I tend to agree with Stephen King's assertion in On Writing, not that the concept is original to that book or unique to his philosophy, that the best way to learn is to "read a lot; write a lot." Of course it's all good and well for someone with a degree in English to tell us not to read books about technique though, isn't it? He took classes on mechanics and learned the formulas he's advising us not to bother learning. He has the luxury of choosing which parts to ignore because he actually studied them. The truth is, even if one wishes to defy convention or even avoid formulaic techniques, there are still areas in which most of us could use some sound advice. I really appreciate you taking the time to make a list of and explain the reasons behind your top recommendations. I would never get through the three-hundred in your complete collection, so this is helpful. You say these are the best of the ones nobody ever talks about though. Any recommendations you'd like to add for those of us who are unfamiliar with the celebrated standards? This subject is of particular interest to me. I lack confidence in this area, to put it mildly, and spend more time writing, rewriting, culling and reverting this element than all others combined. My question is: Is this a book about description and setting, or a book about writing in general with a misleading title, which I'm sure you know is a popular marketing technique in the "how to" realm. I ask, because I'm interested in a focused guide on the matter. You mention that some of it's online, but Google Books makes this look like it contains the entire 500+ page volume. Are there things missing? Thanks!
One I'm reading now is "Sizzling Story Outlines" by H.R. D'Costa. I must say, I'm pretty impressed it takes the reader from a "seed" of an idea to a more developed outline. It's the first of a series of books by this author. It's also a part of Kindle Unlimited for those who subscribe to that service.
To me all the books about writing, screenwriting, writing life, thinking, self management, organising thought or workflow... are about writing. So are books about world building, characters, some books about research, memoirs which describe writing that memoir... And some books about creative business, artistic working in general, backgorund work... 119 books. 61 of them are in English. 58 in Finnish. RRRRespect!!! Please pick me 5-10 you like most!
Some authors from by bookshelf. About writing and things connected to it. Scott Adams Tapani Bagge Lawrence Block Ray Brandbury Dale Carnegie Robert Cialdini David Corbett Stephen Covey Tami Cowden & al Lisa Cron Charles Duhigg Eric Edson Richard Feynman Syd Field Natalie Goldberg Juha Hakala Joseph Heller Lauri Järvilehto Riitta Hari &al Kari Hotakainen Stephen King Austin Kleon Anne LaMott Adair Lara Elmore Leonard Harri Nykänen George Orwell Jordan Peterson Terry Pratchett Jari Ranne Lisa Rogak Alf Rehn Heikki Saari Jeffrey Schenchter Linda Seger Ben Shapiro Dani Shapiro Blake Snyder Kari Suomalainen Nassim Taleb John Truby Saku Tuominen Stephen Wade Mika Waltari Richard Wiseman William Zinsser
So interesting. I'm not a fan of Stephen King's novels (I don't dislike them, they just aren't me) but I've heard so many people praise his book on writing—even for people who don't enjoy his other books much. So many people whose opinions I value have recommended On Writing, that I'm going away now to order it for my Kindle. Done.
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A couple of years ago I read, Writing Science Fiction and Fantasy (2nd Edition), by Crawford Kilian. It's from 2007, so some of the information is probably out of date. IIRC, the general advise seems a little biased, too. I liked his advise, for the most part, and took the rest with a grain of salt. I haven't looked at the included CD ROM, though. When I was in class last year, taking a course called The Context of Writing, I read parts of Publishing Confidential - The Insider's Guide to What it Really Takes to Land a Nonfiction Book Deal, by Paul B. Brown; A History of the Book in America, Volume 5 - The Enduring Book - Print Culture in Post War America, edited by David Paul Nord, Joan Shelley Rubin, and Michael Schudson; and Writer's Digest University - A Multimedia Education in Writing and Publishing, from the editors of Writer's Digest. These were all valuable assets for the class for researching publishing but even the instructor admitted they were a little dated, especially in regards to self-publishing. I liked Paul Brown's approach to the non-fiction book, even if I'm not writing a non-fiction book. His in-text conversation with his editor is humorous and insightful. Writer's Digest. Fantastic resource. The book has a CD, which I haven't looked at. Their website is probably more up to date. The book history is a really interesting look at how the publishing industry, from publishers to retailers, has evolved since the early twentieth century.
I know this is a year old, but I come back to it every once in a while. You wrote another post in here with your picks for the best that no one talks about. Do you have a few recommendations for gold standard-type stuff too? Or would they be the same list? I'm especially interested in structure at the moment. I seem to have a knack for constructing a story that naturally falls into three parts, because they almost always do that on their own, but I know close to nothing about formal structure, pacing, etc. I'd like to learn some architecture behind the craft. What would you suggest?
I saw that last post of yours on structure and was working on a reply, but then I thought, "nah, I'm being annoying," and deleted my post. The 5-act structure book to pick up is "Into the Woods." It's not in my list because I checked it out from the library. It's very good. Of course it links the idea to Shakespeare, but it seems like it moves beyond that too. (?) It's been a while since I've read it. I just remember being very pleased with it. I remember that it built a close parallel to 3-act structure. Basically, the intersections between those three acts become acts 2 and 4. They're just more defined. I'm trying to think about what I've seen on 4-act structure, and I keep thinking about Eastern books. I don't have any books on that. I've only read about it online. Maybe I'll try to find a reference some day. See that "Story Structure Architect" book in there? That's what I was going to recommend to you. It's not what I would call life changing, but it does a pretty good job of giving you lots of little options. It's probably the most broad "structure book" I have. You can preview a lot of it on Amazon, but not the good parts. (Luckily I have it with me, heh!) It basically gives you 11 "master structures." These are all based on 3-act structure, with the changes happening across acts. It's difficult to explain . . . I guess you would say that your three acts are "beginning, middle, end." Those are hard to escape. The difference is in how the tension falls across those acts. So their 11 structures are shown as having three acts, but with the tension rising and falling in different ways. Then they detail little elements that should appear in those acts. It's something of a shallow book. You're not going to get useful info from every page. There's only certain sections that will be useful to you. It's okay if you're looking for a casual structure book. Probably you'll look at it and want more, but it is there. If you like Hero's Journey books, "The Writer's Journey" and "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" are exceptional. They are VERY deep, especially compared to "Story Structure Architect." With those, you can read them cover to cover, and even if you don't apply them immediately, there's a lot to actually learn. If you want books that will change you. . . I mean, you read them intently and it's very hard to be the same author, read these two: "The Rhetoric of Fiction," Booth "On Writing Well," Zinsser Sometimes I feel that I wrote this next book. I obviously didn't, but I can't find a single line anywhere that I disagree with. It's basically about cleaning up sentences/paragraphs so they're publishable. (Well, at least passably publishable, I suppose.) I'm not sure what I'm learning from it that's new, but I love, love being validated. haha! Plus the author's "Editor's Blog" site gets referenced here pretty often. Very useful. It's a massive book. "The Magic of Fiction," Hill This is probably the only grammar book you need. There's some fun grammar books that try to be light (Grammar Girl and Pinker's books, et. al.), and I do like those, but this one nails it. When you finish reading it, go to page 1 and start again. It will erase your grammar troubles. Then you can concentrate on more important issues: "The Handbook of Good English," Johnson It's the only book I could find that explained when NOT to use a comma around certain dialog lines. Those really do exist, but no other book will bring it up. It goes that in depth. If you can learn everything in there, you'll be a grammar genius. And I'd recommend having the Chicago Manual of Style on your shelf. That's the standard for fiction. Most publisher's house styles are some variation of it, so if you stick to CM17, they're not going to be annoyed with your submissions even if they do ask you to tweak some things.
Never. I can't seem to find this one with all the similar titles in my search results. Do you remember the author? Alright. I've been shopping, and partially due to availability in Audiobook format (I'm an auditory learner,) I'm going to start with The Hero with a Thousand Faces and On Writing Well. I have three paperbacks in my Amazon cart too, but I'm going to check the library first. Oh, and The Chicago Manual of style is expensive! Damn. I'm going to keep looking for that one though. I could use an updated SPAG manual. I still defer to my 2001 copy of Elements of Style, and that book is outdated so far beyond 2001. It uses oxford commas. Guh. Thanks so much for this! ETA: Never mind. I found Into the Woods on Kindle. John York, right? Would you say this was a better place to start? It seems that way, for my purposes at least.
Sorry, it's called "Into the Woods: A 5-Act Journey into Story." Yeah, you've got the right one. Sometimes you can pick up the last "outdated" version of the Chicago Manual cheap. It's basically the same thing (CM17 hasn't been out that long, really). If you have any used bookstores around a college, they might have it. I imagine Amazon clears out the old copies too. Yeah, those books are solid reading. They're not what you'd casually pick up at Barnes and Noble, but they're not too technical. It feels like you're listening to a professor lecture to a class. It's meant to be understandable while ignoring simple issues. They're very serious about the subject. If you read them and keep a very open mind (while not being a slavish copycat) you can add their advice to what you already know to work.
Sounds like exactly what I need. By the way, you mentioned putting together a list. This is fantastic already, but you could easily sell of a top 10/top 25 blog-type article (blarticle? Is that a thing?) if you were so inclined. I've seen similar lists on click sites and I guaranty the authors haven't read a tenth what you have.
I thought about making a blog post here doing that. So, maybe so. I need a lot of time to set it up though. I have a couple big publications I'm working on right now too, so I need to get those out of the way. I know a lot of people here don't like writing books as resources, so I'm not sure how useful it would be. But I'm sure someone would look at it.