Need some serious feedback on these characters!

Discussion in 'Character Development' started by TheMyst7885, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. Cephus

    Cephus Contributor Contributor

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    Those aren't characters, that's a family tree. It's honestly a little unbelievable that all of these closely related people get into these specific situations and none of these kids say "screw the military, I'm going to be an accountant".
     
  2. TheMyst7885

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    That might work better for the 80's for Latin America. Unless I go with Bolivia for the early 70's or like you said before the end of '71.

    Right now I have 17 character family tree members but only 3 of their descendants will be the main protagonists. Is this okay? Each of the family tree members will have their own story, but the 3 main protagonists will be the major main stories.
     
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    They are basically brainwashed and manipulated by the military/government into growing up to be trained to fight in these conflicts/wars that were happening through history and have stopped lots of threats and done lots of missions for the government/military secretly. Given their special abilities, they have been much use for them in combat and secret missions to complete. So they'd never have the opportunity to become an accountant :p
     
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    Yes its fine - like Nao said you really need to stop seeking validation, its your story, just write the thing. I'd also suggest that its time to stop thinking about the family tree and start developing the characters you already have.
     
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    And that's where it gets kind of silly. It really sounds like you came up with this idea that you like and now you're desperately trying to rationalize it. You've now gone from a bunch of inter-related characters to a massive, worldwide military conspiracy.
     
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    assuming this is a series and not all happening in one book i'd suggest writing book one ... you'll find that a lot ofd stuff changes as you write that so after that you'll need to rejig the options for book 2 and so on... theres very little point in planning book 6 before book 1 is even drafted
     
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    I know I'm just worried it's going to be a failure because of how it sounds right now.

    But I kind of like there being some conspiracies involved. It works well in some stories and their powers and abilities are used for war without many of them realizing it. Can't some conspiracies work if they are well written?

    Yes it's a series I just dont know how to go about it if the main protagonist are supposed to be the latest descendants in the future of the family tree. Should some of them die? Or just disappear overtime?
     
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    If it's a failure, it won't be a failure because you got some historical details wrong. It will be a failure because you didn't execute the story well. So stop worrying about it and write. Listen to what everyone is telling you.
     
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    But Cephus even told me that the conspiracy ideas is going to cause it some problems, which may be true. I just don't know how writing it in a good way so it doesn't come off that way.
     
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    That's not what he said at all. He said you're trying to rationalise your family tree idea by building in a worldwide military conspiracy, not that a military conspiracy won't work. You've not worked out the details, and instead, you're slapping an idea on to your characters.

    SHIELD is basically exactly that in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

    If I may ask - how old are you? You come across as very young. If that's the case, you need to listen to the people here with experience, otherwise you're going to spend so much time trying to work out irrelevant details and worrying about them that you never get this done, or get it done badly.

    If not, I apologise.
     
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    Also I get the feeling this is your first novel... the first two books I wrote were failures , the first got to about 25k before I abandoned it, the second i finished but it was crap... subsequently I've published six novels and two novellas and have a bunch more in progress.

    It doesnt matter if you fail so long as you try... you'll learn from the failure and your next attempt will be better... failure is only defeat if you give up
     
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  12. Cephus

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    That is nowhere close to what I said. You started off the thread asking questions about your cast of characters and when I pointed out that it seemed unrealistic to have every single character part of this wide-ranging military family, you came up with the whole conspiracy angle to explain it. Now either you had no clue about that and just made it up on the spot to rationalize your characters, or you knew it all along and you aren't doing a good job explaining things. People are going to look at your ideas and if they don't make any sense, if they are too convenient or too out-there or whatever, they are going to reject the entire concept. Whatever you do, it has to make sense. At the moment, at least as you've explained it, it doesn't.
     
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    The first half-dozen books, on average, fail. People get too far ahead of themselves, thinking that writing a book is easy. It is probably one of the hardest things a person can ever attempt to do.
     
  14. Bentley

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    First of all, how long is this novel? For a story to have such a timeline, would require multiple books, otherwise there's a concern for not being able to develope the characters enough. Second, a basic timeline is very hard to figure out, you're definitely going to need to provide a little more information.
     
  15. TheMyst7885

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    I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

    I guess you could compare some of my ideas to SHEILD. But each of these characters/family tree are descended of some kind of supernatural powers based on many myths. I'm not trying to sound immature, I'm listening to what they say and they have more experience than I do. I just got to figure out how to do these with justice. I know my story ideas sound like crap right now. So I don't mean to sound like I'm discarding anyones advice. I want all the advice I can get and welcome any help.

    What if this is a graphic novel series? Does it make a difference?

    I guess I fear that if I'm getting feedback that my ideas are bad or stale that it will fail. Which is why I try working on the ideas being great first before going forward.

    I'm sorry I apologize for the misunderstanding :(
     
  16. TheMyst7885

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    Multiple stories. Starting from each timeline in chronological order.
     

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