my characters don't drink alcohol and it's on purpose

Discussion in 'Character Development' started by James Hellfire, Jul 17, 2021.

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do you write characters that don't fit in?

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  1. Maurits

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    Frankly, I think you're approaching this in a strange way. Having characters that don't fit in is a strong part of what makes most stories interesting (google "literature trope misfit" for details). In YA especially, the outcast saving the day and achieving glory is a very frequent topic, to the point of being clichéd. However "not fitting in" is obviously not something determined by the character alone but by their surroundings as well. It could be the gay guy in the conservative Christian village, but it could also be the straight guy in a travelling circus who wants nothing more than to find a wife and have kids and settle down in suburbia. It could be the morally pure gal who never does drugs and saves herself for marriage among lots of happily fucking teenagers, or it could be the girl with the guitar tripping on LSD and being in touch with her spirituality against a hard working class background.

    Whether or not your characters drink alcohol is totally irrelevant. (Unless you're funded by a brewery maybe.) It's whether you can engage your readers that counts.
     
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    I can't bring myself to click "like." haha
    Reminds me of those Haribros Sugar-Free Gummi reviews. DON'T EVER EAT THOSE. Not even on a dare.

    If you're feeling down, read some of the reviews. They are amazingly funny.

    "Gastrointestinal Armageddon"
    "Weaponized gummy bears"
    "Drums in the deep. They are coming!"
     
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    I heard an airport security horror story involving those gummi bears.
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  4. James Hellfire

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    People don't like being called out for their shit but someone has to do it
     
  5. James Hellfire

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    alcohol kills people
    Don't forget that
     
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    So does driving.

    Do you drive?
     
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    -sips my Mike's-
    Yep
     
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    Back to the original point, I think you can see from the replies that writing characters with similar traits and beliefs to ones self is not different, but actually very normal. We ALL do it to an extent.

    Second, that not drinking or smoking or whatever is also not rare or 'different', with many members here stating they too don't 'indulge' in these various activities, be it drinking or smoking or drugs.
     
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    Dihydrogen oxide has been responsible for many, many more deaths than alcohol.
     
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    I can't believe they still put that shit in soft drinks.
     
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    See, I don't think I like this here. Good people drink alcohol too. Some do drugs. There are plenty of reasons not to, but you're equating abstinence to morality, and that's just not fair. You seem to believe that only people like you are "actually good people." Unless I've misunderstood you entirely, that's very judgemental, and I think your work will probably reflect that.
     
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    They also wrote this:

    So yes, I would say there's a lot of moral judgement there.
     
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    Obesity leads to more than 1.5x the amount of preventable deaths. Are your characters also of ideal weight leading a moral crusade against obesity?
     
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    Indeed... Enter the moderator calling you out on yours

    if you want to rail about the evils of alcohol, do it somewhere else - Facebook/Reddit for preference, but in the debate room if you really must do it here.

    The wider issue was a valid question the first time you asked it... but this is the third thread dedicated to essentially the same discussion the others are here

    https://www.writingforums.org/threads/i-miss-the-tender-hero.170193/
    https://www.writingforums.org/threads/virgin-characters-are-invisible.170194/

    This here is the character development forum where we discuss character development, it is not a soapbox for whatever your personal hobby horse may be...

    Everyone else, the OP is not arguing in an empty room.. I like an entertaining debate as much as the next person, but theres a time and a place and this aint it
     
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    Back on track and hat off (that thing really chafes my antlers). Theres nothing inherently wrong with writing with a message, but the message is conveyed more powerfully by a contrast between characters than by every character being the same.

    Every single character doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't have sex before marriage... isn't a story, its a fairly meh setting for whatever story you intend to tell and people won't take much notice of said setting since it blends into the background.

    However a protag who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke or do drugs, and who believes in true love waits when those around him/her are living a hedonistic lifestyle of excess is much more interesting and delivers the message more powerfully because the message itself becomes at least part of the plot...

    e.g Kirk Christus was raised a god fearing young man who believes in clean living and waiting for the one.. however when his Christian rockband breaks up the only gig he can get is as stand in lead guitar for the Voodoo Sluts, gods of punk rock. As the Slut's first American Tour staggers towards its headline gig in Las Vegas, will Kirk's principles survive, or will he be seduced by the hedonism of life on the road?

    That's a story.. its got conflict, drama, interest and in the right hands delivers the message that clean living is a valid choice with much more impact
     
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    One of my favourite character compositions is where a pair opposing themselves sternly on a certain point agree on many other ones. And where character conflict is derived from a protagonist discovering that the other side they held as "opposition" and "enemy" hold as much valour and honour as they do.

    Building on your example, the character I would really enjoy there is a member of the Voodoo Sluts somewhat different from the rest who goes out of their way to accommodate Kirk and help them fit in, going as far as to stand up for Kirk in an in-band debate. And Kirk forced into the realisation that he doesn't only face the dissonance of his past values with his current place, but also the fact a friend and fellow he found to respect the most is engaging in the lifestyle he despises.
     
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    YES! OMG, if I had to read only books that reflected real life, I would quit reading altogether. I completely agree writing is a total escape and should be treated as such.
     
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    If I met a group of people who were all like this I would assume they were a cult. Are your characters a cult?
     
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    I know, right. The cult thing didn't cross my mind, but yeah. Now that you say that....
     
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    A woman smoking a cigarette is shorthand for something, I'm not sure what but I use it a lot.
     
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    I was thinking of the same painting! But couldnt remember how to spell it (and didnt feel like googling :superlaugh:)
     
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    Am I close?
     
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    So a group of a bunch of idiots getting drunk isn't a cult but a group of friends who live sober/drug free lives are?

    I guess your logic died a long time ago
     
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