I am talking about a ritual to raise Satan from hell and my Main characters who participate in it end up losing limbs and eyes between them. So, what medical treatment would they get? Say, if the ritual required that all of the body parts given to be free of any contaminated such as drugs, how would a doctor go about doing an old-fashioned amputation, etc? I figure that these still happen in real life, but would my characters need an army doctor? I also want to know how much recovery time is needed. For the characters, one of them loses their left leg below the knee, another a right arm and hand. Another loses an eye and a kidney. I know it seems like a lot, but it makes sense in the story. Also, it is important to know that it is modern story and so, there is modern medical equipment for after the part is removed.
Recover from limb amputation takes anything from a month to several months. When my foot was amputated, the wound itself healed in about 2 months, but rehabilitation took several months longer. The loss of a leg could leave someone wheelchair bound for a year or even longer, depending on many factors. You have to relearn to do a lot of things. You don't need an army doctor. Surgeons do amputations all the time. Loss of a kidney is less important - you can function with a single kidney. An eye, well, it would take a short while to get used to only having one eye, but depth perception isn't as important as some make it out to be (I was blind in one eye for a while, and I functioned just fine). For context, I am at risk of losing a leg below the knee, so I had a long chat with the specialist department about it, about how long it would take before I could get a prosthetic etc, so I know a little about this. Hopefully, it won't come to that though.
Hold up... the characters are going to get a surgeon to remove their limbs, eyes, and kidneys for them and THEN donate them to Satan. That might be problematic in a modern story. Surgeons aren't going to cut your shit up and let you keep it just because you asked them to. Unless I'm completely misreading this?
You are correct on this. It has been something I haven't quite been able to nail down. Because you are correct, a surgeon won't want to do this. But, due to magic, one of them can mind control people. But I have also thought of the fact that it might just be a better on-site ritual. However, it can't be like some kinda Fullmetal Alchemist Human Transmutation ritual. Because I really want to stay away from that. So, do you have any ideas? The actually summoning will take place at the Kansas Hellgate in Stull. And no, I have not seen Supernatural. But it's improbable the characters would do a Harry Potter and sacrifice the parts at the location prior to the ceremony. So, I am kinda in a bind. I mean, I just need it NOT to be like FMA.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a surgeon, but I'd imagine you'd need a bunch of equipment, assistants, and a specialized location to handle all that. Not to mention a shitload of drugs and potential witnesses. Never mind insurance co-pays and things. Can't the characters just kidnap some hobos, hack them up, and dispense with the recovery? That would sound a lot easier.
Yeah, I thought about all that, too. Because of the premise of the story, it's possible to secure these things. But, you're right. It doesn't add up well and I wish I could get it to work better. No, sadly not. It has to be the MCs, I am afraid. Because of the plot of the story and the whole world I built for this story. I am sure someone in the history of this world did try that. As for drugs, the MCs can't do that, because the parts have to be untainted. A pervious group of these people failed the ritual because of that fact. I can PM you with more details, if you want.
I can imagine a retired surgeon or two who maybe have ties to organized crime or something agreeing to do it in a motel or abandoned building or something where the equipment is brought in (possibly by organized crime connections?) Maybe the surgeons lost their jobs because they didn't have the right sort of Hippocratic spirit, or they're former military medics who fell back on less-than-legit jobs on being unable to find work when returning home.
That was my line of thinking when I first outlined this story. However, I know from experience, if I am trying to 'make it work', I need to fix it. I mean, I wrote a whole fanfic once and ended up having to 86 a LOT of things. So, I need to make this as solid as possible. So, I am wondering if I should go back to more of a 'loss during the ritual' thing or something. Thoughts?
Maybe, but that's not something that's established in this world. Yes, there are Satanists, but ones that really understand what's going on.
I don't understand what this means. Loss of what, and by whom? I mean, the obvious would be loss of limbs etc by the satanists, but that's already happening, isn't it? If the ritual happens at the place where the surgery is being done, which is how I imagined it.
Wouldn't it be possible for them to read up on Civil War and Medieval medical procedures related to what they need to do for removing limbs? Granted modern utensils and power tools would make things a bit easier, if not still just as messy. Probably pack some surgical tubing to ebb the blood flow. Or if they have a good friend with a hacksaw. There is always a way to get past the speedbumps like that, by thinking outside the box a bit.
I would say that the suggestion of the surgeons (and maybe even the surgical facility itself) being tied to Satanists is probably the most workable solution here. Your problem then will boil down to how long it takes to recover, etc ...which @Naomasa kind of outlined above. Research for that sort of thing is easy to do online. If the surgeon/facility is financed by the cult, then I presume issues like who pays for the surgery and recovery, etc, are taken care of.
I hear Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman knows some guys who are really handy with the bone saws.
Yes, it's possible that they could do the research. However, now I am looking at it more from a technical/does this make sense for the plot, thing. So, I will keep that idea on the table. Yeah. I usually try and do this, but I have a story that I tried to think outside the box, but in the end, I couldn't fix the problem. So, I had to hastily fix the issue in the story and because it was a fanfic, I had been posting chapter by chapter. I learned a lesson: If something doesn't make complete sense, then fix it. Don't put it off. Anyway, I rethought the whole thing last night and I realized the thing that matters is the base goal: free Lucifer from Hell. And so, I am trying to think of different ways to accomplish this. First, I realized that my characters CANNOT walk into Hell and free him. I don't think they can send others either.
That is true. In this case, I was concerned about the recovery time as well and had been doing research before I posting on here. But, a lot of medical sites don't give enough details about said recovery.
Well, you are talking about voluntary, clandestine, limb amputation to raise Satan from hell, so at some point, you're going to have to fudge/hand wave a plot element or six. Great idea, by the way, so I wouldn't sweat the realism too much.
The reality is that recovery from major trauma such as limb loss depends a lot on a person's physiology. For some people, the wound never heals properly.
True. I think I was overthinking this. Oops. Anyway, about the doctors, I realize there are doctors who would happily take hush payments and do unethical crap. I mean, with enough money, anything is possible. And true, it IS fiction. I mean, mystery novels lie to us all the time. The bad guy gets caught and the mystery is solved correctly. In real life, that's pretty rare. And thank you. Your words really make me feel better. I was preparing to reconfigure the whole thing and all. So, I am happy you think it's a great idea! I also realized too, that this ritual IS supposed to VERY old and as such, it makes sense that it's sacrificial. In the past, I am sure many people died trying to do this. Anyway, thank you for your kind words.
Yes, I understand. I am planning on there being repercussions for all of this. Some will take it better than others, but some are going to be actually traumatized from this. Even though, for the ritual to be done properly, the person has to willingly sacrifice. But still, if one thinks about it, it's easy to say, "yeah. I'd give an arm so that I meet my favorite celebrity." But, to actually go through with it is another story. Also, we run into a jury situation, because it has to be unanamiously agreed upon by all parties, because if 1 person bails at the last minute, everyone else is fucked. (So... I am trying to figure that one out.) I am thinking it's not hard to find the right number of unethical doctors. Because, it might make more sense, for all of the group to commit at the same time. Rather than one after the other, incase someone bails.
The thing is, doctors would struggle to do this kind of surgery alone, so they will need assistants and up to date medical equipment and facilities, unless they don't mind just killing the patient outright. So I think it might be difficult to pull this off, unless the entire medical facility was also ethically compromised.
True. The doctors do need their team and... given the set up of the story, I may actually have it all set up and just realized I did. Because of the characters has a illness that needs monitoring, so he has a medical team. So... I may just have that figured out. The next question is how to preserve and transport the pieces to Kansas, within 7 days. Because that's part of the ritual rules. As for ethics, I am not very worried about it. I mean, lawyers also have an ethics code and somehow, a LOT of them tend to break it. XD
My point wasn't that doctors sometimes break ethic codes ...which, unfortunately, some of them do. It's just that the doctor in question will need a whole team AND facilities that are willing to break the same ethics code at the same time—and sustain it for the time it takes for the patient/victim/donors to recover—in order for this notion to work. I can't see this happening unless the entire hospital is run by Satanists, with the ability to divert attention from their activities.
That's the issue I need to fix and that's why I feel like I need to rethink some things. Because I don't know how to make this work on the large scale,. With recovery and everything. So, if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. I will be thinking it over.