A strong male lead

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  1. SnapFandango

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    I would like to add that minstrel is lovely and never once did I mean to suggest he got a little physical with me. Only twice. But I instigated it both time, because I love a bit of Minstrel. He might be gay, but he knows how to handle a man, oh hang on, that is normal for a gay. Well, it was fun. That was all a joke btw.
     
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    Just so we're on the same page here... this is your original post that I questioned.
    You asked whether or not being protective of women was reprehensible, then started explaining how men are protective of women because of evolutionary biology.

    That's what I'm questioning. How you got from "is this reprehensible" to "humans evolved this way." There's a gap. Why does it matter how humans evolved?
     
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    What's all the "anyone who X can piss off" talk? I keep thinking I've missed posts and you're responding to something I haven't read, but I've double checked and it doesn't seem to be there. Are you anticipating... something...?
     
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    Is it reprehensible that humans evolved that way? If so, what is the source of your ethics? Wishing? "I wish it were thus, therefore it is thus."
     
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    I just got asked about this??? I do not agree.
     
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    Without taking me out of context, please explain exactly when I expressed any misogynistic thought. If you cannot, please retract your comment and be quiet.
     
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    I'm having disturbing Pinky flashbacks. Am I the only one having trouble, here?
     
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    No, I'm totally with you.
     
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    @CoyoteKing was responding to me, not to you.
     
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    If one wishes.

    https://www.writingforums.org/threads/minstrel.155311/

    Check out Snap's his new epic poem.

    @minstrel you have an admirer. (See link)

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    I dunno, dude. I mean, ducks evolved to rape each other. If ducks had human intelligence, would they swim around arguing about whether duck rape was "reprehensible"? Life is complicated, and I don't feel comfortable basing my social behavior on how genes propagate. I'm not saying men protecting women is wrong, per se, I'm just saying that maybe modern-day ethics shouldn't be based on ancient survival techniques.

    Welp. I'm off to eat popcorn, get drunk, and play Zelda. Cheers.
     
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    I'VE HAD TO DELETE A NUMBER OF POSTS IN THIS THREAD ALREADY. PLEASE PUT ASIDE THE RANCOR AND STICK TO THE TOPIC.

    Thank you in advance.
     
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    To me, a strong male means unwavering leadership in a hostile environment. Beowulf was a strong male. Odysseus was a strong male. Achilles was a strong male. Jesus Christ was a strong male. If you believe in "strength in numbers," then the greatest strength is to be able to lead.

    In modern times, Bernie Sanders is a strong male. He continues to deliver his message despite mounting adversity and opposition and he has inspired countless Americans.
     
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    Well Minstrel, am I allowed to say the Sanders is an ideeolgue rather than a pragamtist. and the former is a dangerous religion?
     
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    No, you're not, it just took a random swing at me in a different thread. 86.3% sure it's Pinky.
     
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    to be fair hes got a point when you look at 40s and 50s action heroes ... the strong square jawed man who kills the bad guys sweeps the weak feeble damsel in distress of her feet was portrayed as how a man acts (and for that matter how a woman acts ).

    Hell even today look at something like Jack Reacher .... with a few exceptions most of the people he helps are women in trouble, and they are mostly pretty helpless and need a 'big strong man' to 'come and save them'
     
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    I've had him on ignore for a month since i reached and reported that conclusion
     
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    Yes, I put them together because I knew the line was blurry and subjective.

    But what makes that a uniquely male trait? Boudicca or Ellen Ripley both spring to mind as women who showed strong leadership in a hostile environment.
     
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    Does a trait have to be specifically male or female to make a strong male or female character? All human character traits either weak or strong can be displayed by pretty much any human regardeless of their sex or gender. There are specific gendered traits people can, that have depending on culture, mark a person as characteristically male or female. Having strong traits, however, like being courageous and mentally resilient, seem to be more universal. Incidentally, Ellen Ripley was originally written as a male character, but at the last minute with basically no changes to the script they switched the characters gender in order to set the film apart from the all the muscle bound Arnold and Van Damme movies out there. So technically Ripley could be both a strong male and female character.
     
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    It was probably more or less uniquely male a thousand years ago or two, hence my mentioning of the bible, Homer, and Beowulf.

    Eventually unique traits will depend only on whether you're an Eloi or a Morlock.
     
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    And if no big strong men are available, they have to settle for Tom Cruise. :D

    (Was that unworthy? Maybe that was unworthy.) :eek: :p
     
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    I was thinking of the books not mission impossible 8.5 and 9 and 3/4
     
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    :superlaugh::superlaugh::superlaugh:
     
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    Didn't Tom Cruise buy the rights to the books after reading so he could cast himself?
     
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    he bought the film rights to one shot and never go back (alledgedly with an option payment on others) - whether that was so he could cast himself as a fanboi or just because he liked the concepts only teeny tom knows
     
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