Controversial things on the setting...when is it too much?

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  1. halisme

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    This kinda falls apart when you consider the fact that their expansionist policies were also paired with future plans for the genocide of native Easter Europeans, and anyone else that falls outside of their circles. Beyond that, they also attacked the non-economically involved group like Romani travellers. The Romani definitely did not pose any sort of economic threat in that their migratory lifestyle meant that they didn't typically own any sort of large scale means of industry, meaning there was no reason to attack them apart from as an outside, othered group.

    The political ideology of the Nazi party under Hitler was based on the ideas of social Darwinism in regards to race. Facism reads the world as a giant struggle between races, and Hitler thought the fastest way to get to his "rightful place", was war, which also pairs with the Nazi ideas of a glorious death and their general view on masculinity. This idea of the world as one giant struggle, and by extension war, was what lead facist groups to put such tight control on their economy, as many countries do during wartime.

    Beyond this, the nazi party were staunchely against things like socialism and communism (treating these as two different things, as anarcho-communism exists), to the point that the bulk of political prisoners were socialists, communist, and the leaders of trade unions. Combined with decreasing taxes on the rich, and the privatisation of state-owned businesses, it's hard to argue the two philosophies are all that much related.
     
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    Probably not the whole thing, but that one country being built mostly by Americans would make a lot of sense unless something drastic changes in the meantime.
     
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    Come to think of it, the OP could just write an alternate universe where nazis have institutional power in the States à la Wolfenstein II, then refer to it at some point if appropriate, or let the reader glean it from the environment.
     
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    I Heard Germany is easing up a bit with that stuff. Still a touchy subject though. Yeah probably not all American unless there was some big war, or it was fairly early in Mars' colonization.
     
  5. halisme

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    Considering China's expansionist tendencies and India's own goal of becoming a superpower, I can see a lot changing.
     
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    Well, yeah, I was just thinking changes specifically to American culture.

    Like maybe most of the countries on Mars are mostly from people who weren't from America, but this one was mostly Americans.
     
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    Sci-fi often dips or fully emerges itself in the darker nature of animals. Hell, Star Trek had a Nazi episode.

    Unfortunately, the third Reich wasn’t even the lowest humanity has ever sunk, and well almost certainly go lower again because our species is a cosmological infant, and well act like infants.
     
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    Acknowledging the existence of something and endorsing it are two completely different things. Fascism existed then, exists now, and will likely exist in the distant future, sadly.

    Also, there's nothing wrong about giving depth to people stuck within a fascist regime. That is not an endorsement, either. As long as you use it to expose the deeper hypocrisies of such a condition.
     
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