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    Ellen Page: Part and Parcel of the Problem

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by Liam Johnson, Feb 15, 2014.

    For any that haven't yet heard, Ellen Page announced she was gay last night at HRCF's Time to Thrive Conference. Here's a link below, so long as the video hasn't been taken down:



    Whilst I'm not unsympathetic to the courage it takes for one to announce their homosexuality, the way in which Ellen came out only adds fuel to the very fire she's trying to extinguish. It shouldn't be ceremonious. It shouldn't have a raucous applause. It shouldn't be worthy of the tag "announces". It certainly shouldn't be front page news. It should carry no more weight nor relevance than if she'd stated she liked the colour green, or had a child. Imagine walking down the high street and every time someone announced they had a child, everyone in the vicinity stood up, cheered and applauded. It would be absurd; absurd because it's such a regular, normal thing to say. That's the response Ellen should have wanted her announcement to receive.

    So long as the LGBT community continues to assign so much occasion and pageantry to the 'coming out' of their members they only serve to reaffirm the divide between those whom are homosexual and those who aren't. It needs to be irrelevant.
     
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    This presumes that she is a duly elected spokesperson for the LGBT community and that her affiliation with the LGBT community is of greater importance to her than her Hollywood career and her need to grab just a few more seconds in the oh-so-fickle spotlight. What the media does - and asks of those who are under its thrall - is not to be confused with regular day-to-day LGBT folk any more than Angelina Jolie and her actions are to be confused as representative of those of my mother or sister. You have to remember that American media is little more than a glorified pimp. Gay is the new shock value soundbite and the media will not only snap it up at every chance, but will egg on its presentation whenever possible. When Jim Parsons "came out" it was through a simple, this is just another part of the conversation, mention of his partner. It was exactly how you say it should be in your OP. Yet, even that was snapped up by the media and twisted and remolded into yet another prostitute soundbite in torn fishnets. Don't confuse what our media projects with who we really are, any of us, gay, str8 or whatever, over here in Murica. ;)
     
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    This is the only thing I can think of while watching this...

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    So someone whose career is a public presence has been afraid to let it be known they are gay for years decides they no longer have to hide who they are, and you, @Liam Johnson, complain, how dare she make a public action of it, and you, @JJ_Maxx cynically say she did it to make money? Unbelievable.

    Try this scenario: she's young, she's immersed in a civil rights movement that personally affects her and is growing, and she's decided to add her voice. Why shouldn't she make a big public deal of it? Perhaps the two of you might consider leaving the tunnel you see homosexuality through long enough to stand in her shoes and take a 360 degree look around?

    By the way, just what is the problem you think she's part of @Liam Johnson?
     
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    I don't know who Ellen Page is, I do not care who Ellen Page is, and I will continue to not care, regardless of whether or not she's gay.
     
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    She got an Oscar nomination for playing the pregnant teenager in Juno.
     
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    Oh. I've never seen Juno.
     
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    I remember when there was a big 'coming out' campaigns for atheists too. Those were fun.

    To be honest, I suspected Ellen Page was gay anyway - so this news only came as a mild shock. I do, as a guy, find her physically very attractive all the same, but to call her 'coming out' is a case of pageantry and thus creating a divide between homosexual people and heterosexual people is to be honest I think ridiculous.

    It's natural to think that if you've never heard a person talk about their sexuality then you just assume they are straight as the default position. It's not the right thing to do, but people do do it. I'm guilty of it myself. She's just telling the world a part of who she is, and I just think 'bravo'. It does not make me think 'Oh, no, Ellen Page is gay, I will never have a chance with her now'. She's a celebrity, I didn't really have a chance to begin with.
     
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    It's a good movie. I think you'd like it.
     
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    I'm more of an action fan when it comes to movies.
     
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    I don't know Ellen Page, I have never met her. I'm sure she is a nice person. I don't care if she's gay. She can have sex with trees if she wants. Honestly I think the media thinks the public cares more than we actually do. Just keep making movies Ellen, that's all we really care about. ;)
     
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    I agree with you, (though I don't care personally about her) , but it should be 180 degrees.
     
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    Do we even care about that? Really?
     
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    I do, Juno is a classic movie and both myself and my wife are big fans of Page as an actor. When I told my wife Page was gay, she said, 'Sweet, now I have a chance.' lol
     
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    Lol! :p
     
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    That would only be half-way around. You'd miss what was behind you if you only looked in front of you. ;)
     
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    No, 180 would be a half turn, but it would change your direction fully. while a 360 degrees turn is full, so you'd land right back where you started.
     
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    So are you taking your cynical comment back then?
     
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    I don't recall making a cynical comment.
     
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    On the bright side, she didn't pull a The Decision type of thing that LeBron pulled a few years ago.

    But seriously, it was her choice to make the announcement at a conference, and I respect that choice.
     
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    A gay actor?!?!
    What's next, a drunk Irishman?
    It's the end of days, I tell you
     
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    I know, it's so surprising, right? :eek:

    (I'm assuming you're Irish, so I won't harp on ya, because I'm Irish, so....)
     
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    So, you're like me, you live in America but have Irish bloodline kinda thing?
     
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    That was part of the reason the Woody Harrelson picture was appropriate. Hollywood is gay, and it has been for a long time. I can't really sympathize with her. In reality, her Hollywood stock just went up. That's the world she lives in. Plus she's rich. It's a non-moment. We don't care. She's about 20 years too late.
     
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