Gender, power, feminism, patriarchy...

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  1. J_Jammer

    J_Jammer Banned

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    Actually = condescending. That's aside of your judgmental attitude.

    As for gender constructs, just call everyone "it".
     
  2. wolfi

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    Man we are not saying evrey one is the "same" heck evrey single person is deferent
    we said equal, it means women has the same rights as us and they can work in construction if they want to

    yes a man can get stronger and be more stronger then most women, no one is denying that, what we are denying is that a man makes a better one there are some men that are weak like me and we dont make better ones then the power lifting female


    A girl makes a better nurse? i don't see how, Girls dont instinctively care more
    they are more emotional but that dose not equal caring

    I'm an emotional man, I would not mind being a nurse, granted i want to be a doctor but thats beside the point, i care about them just as much as a female
     
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    Now, THAT'S funny. :D
     
  4. J_Jammer

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    Oh good lord. We're not exactly the same...but we are. Someone else should try.
     
  5. J_Jammer

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    I know. Yall complain about your own style of displaying an opinion.
     
  6. wolfi

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    You fail, I never said once we are the same

    In fact I said "evrey one is defrient"
     
  7. J_Jammer

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    And everyone has personality.

    Saying everyone is different doesn't quash the idea men and women can all do everything the other can do. That's a lie and saying otherwise is saying everyone is the same. The world is, apparently a bunch of its.
     
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    I'm deferent form you, i still can learn guitar as you can

    I'm deferent form you
    i still can write

    Being a nurse and being a construction worker are skills, skills that any one can do dose it mean they can do it as good? no of couse not
    but they can do it
    Nurses someitmes have to be strong (in order to restrain someone)
    construcion workers sometimes need to be gentle (breakble stuff and what not)

    What your saying holds no logic
     
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    No one said women lacked skills. I said that they aren't construction workers in general and all if the sudden someone served free wine
     
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    Where did i say they lacked skills? all i said was that what you posted is wrong
    This is what you said before

    You just said since a women can work as a construction worker it means we are all the same and "its"

    You said women are better nurses not true

    Male Construction workers, them being stronger CAN be true but not always and the suing part i have clue what that has to do with anything
     
  11. J_Jammer

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    Not always is a hollow and useless comment.

    Men are stronger.
    Women have better balance.
    Men have a penis.
    Women have a vagina.

    Oh no there are exceptions...but guess what? They ain't the rule.
     
  12. wolfi

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    Not when the not always is defreintly above 30% if not right aorund 50 or more

    There are millions of "weak" guy, there are a lot of strong girls that can lift circles around stong guys

    Girls can work counstruction anyways (they can work the machies, or even be lifitng the hevey stuff)

    While yes if we where all to work 100% to our peak guys would be stornger
    less then 1% if even that is at their peak

    So your right their are exceptions of guys who are always stonger then women but guess what? they are not the rule

    Where did you get women have better balnce? that is untrue
    Balnce is not giving by gender, thats all genetics
     
  13. J_Jammer

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    No, it's hollow.

    Everyone has noses.

    NOT EVERYONE! I know a guy....

    Hollow.
     
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    You dont get it do you?


    Are we done here? you can keep your ophion that Girls are better care givers (not true in any physical form more emotinal? sure ut dont ,mean care givers)
    and that guys are stronger (while if we where all at 100% this would be true almost no one is)
     
  16. J_Jammer

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    Not always.
     
  17. wolfi

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    So its okay when you do it but not when we do it?
     
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    If you're going to inflict it upon one, you are to do it to all. I'm helping you out.
     
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    This thread has ceased to make any sense. Anyone care to engage in a mature conversation about gender in literature, or have we passed to point of no return?
     
  20. wolfi

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    really the orignal topic has been giving evrey awnswer either


    but to state my ophion and hope to get it back on track

    pepole are trying to hard, the writers for the most part are not being sexist there are just using real pepole types, there are Girls who kick butt and there are girls that make their decions bassed on a guy and or guys

    So really i dont think there is a problem with literature

    Its kind of like racist, its thorwn around at evreything and out of control
    You have a rich black guy and evrey one eles in the thing is not? racist!
    to be fair the racist one has died down a LOT or at least i dont notice it anymore

    You have a girl who kicks butt? Your trying to hard to break the mold of sexism

    you have a girl who relys on a guy? sexist

    so yeah thats my ophion on the matter
    pepole need to relize sometime a made up person is made up to be like that becuse its bassed on a REAL person and in no one is being sexist
     
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    It is only immature when people can't handle everyone thinking just like them by using the internet ignorant term troll.

    Otherwise all the its are happy.
     
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    Studies of gender in literature aren't generally concerned with ways the writer is being overtly sexist, because as you mention, most writers' characters are based on the writer's reality. So, the question then becomes what are the prevalent attitudes towards gender that are contained within the text--the implicit assumptions about gender roles that define 'reality' within the novel.
     
  23. wolfi

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    Care to exsplain more?
     
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    Well, if you look at a text that has a dominant female character in a lot of fiction today, and try to assess how dominance is established in terms of the book itself, it's often through the appropriation of typically masculine traits--things like aggression, stoicism, physical toughness. This tends to suggest that the society in which the writing is produced sees masculinity as a model for the 'hero' figure, regardless of the gender of the hero. I mentioned earlier the Bechdel test, which simply asks (1)whether there are two or more female characters, and (2)whether they talk to each other (3)about something other than a man. The majority of mainstream books and movies fail this test, which seems to indicate that rather than reflecting a true equality of representation of both sexes, there's simply a growing number of women taking both the role in the story and the characteristics of men. Again, this isn't necessarily an act of sexism on the part of the author, but it can be read as a reflection of the paradoxical way women are presented in society, especially outside genres that are written expressly for women.
     
  25. J_Jammer

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    Women can't be aggressive?
     
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