How would you organize a galactic government?

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  1. newjerseyrunner

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    This is because of the speed of the particles there, but there density is so low that it would not register as "hot" to a thermometer.

    It also does not emit X-rays, it doesn't emit anything unless it hits something. Then it can release a number of things, X-rays are one of them (but rare.). Gamma rays are most common for relativistic particles and space itself does not emit anything, but has a residual energy at 3K at the microwave frequency. This is not being created though, it was generated about 300,000 years into the history of the universe as has been traveling since then.
     
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    Most of the articles I read seemed to indicate that WHIM observation was done via measuring absorption and emission of x-rays, but I defer to your expertise.
     
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    I'm learning so much. Some of it even makes sense! lol

    I'll definitely keep you in mind if I ever have another space science question that needs to be answered. I've done a very good job so far of designing a galaxy without actually having to use any science words, but I imagine eventually that's going to stop being the case.
     
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    Galactic distances make the idea of a galactic government darned near impossible. Even if you postulate instantaneous communication and transportation, it would be next to impossible to administrate over so many widely scattered and diverse worlds. And instantaneous communication, much less transportation, would wipe out most of what we know as science; it's next to impossible to even define simultaneity across interstellar distances.

    Local governments would certainly form, and good luck to any "galactic government" that would try to control them.
     
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    If the thread is still about Galaxy Government, then I think you would first need to define what kind of government you need.
    Monarchs, Republics, Totalitarian, Theocracy and Socialism, to name a few. Each one would give a different view of the ruling class.
    BTW The Romans had the first Senate. Good old Romulus.
     
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    Instantaneous communication is possible, it's the travel that's the issue. The best way to do it is to have each planet be more or less self-governing, with government observers ensuring that nothing stupid is going down. Then, have a separate navy that is paid for by all the planets.
     
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    X-rays are emitted, but not from collisions of particles. Particles move so fast that their collisions tend to create gamma rays. Gamma rays tend not to travel very far though, they get reabsorbed by passing electrons (sometimes other particles) and then remitted. That's what produces the X-rays we see which can reach us. As light gets scattered, it tends to lose energy. For example, nuclear fusion creates only gamma rays, but after passing through the suns mantle, it's mostly visible light. Same in deep space, hot gas produces gamma rays but it's quickly filtered out by the gas itself.
     
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    How's that? I haven't heard of any way to communicate FTL that wouldn't violate relativity just as much as FTL travel...
     
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    I have to disagree because I'm writing a book that revolves around a "galactic government" and I think heavily on those things especially communication. If you ever watched the newer star trek movies, the captain made a phone call millions light years away to warn him about something. I only thought about it after the movie, realized he made a phone call millions light years away. The average person doesn't think or want to know how it works they just want to be shown it somehow magically works.

    It wouldn't be impossible if there is some warp drive involved, that the galactic government can travel millions of light years to different planetary systems to rule. Especially with military forces that can put people in their place. It took a month or so to deliver mail across the Atlantic ocean in the 1700-1800's now today can be within 24 hours. Also NASA can communicate with satellites billions of miles away and now just imagine we have satellites stretched out far and wide to all these planetary systems, even asteroids can be used a central hubs for communication. What I love about sci-fi it is endless in possibilities.
     
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    Basically, you can do weird science stuff that causes two atoms to be linked so that what happens to one happens to the other, specifically in terms of if it has a positive or negative charge, and it works over any distance. I cannot explain it myself, but here's an article showing that it works http://www.nature.com/news/china-s-quantum-satellite-clears-major-hurdle-on-way-to-ultrasecure-communications-1.22142

    The major issue is limited bandwidth, upping that distance, and the fact that a particle can only be linked to one other particle, meaning that it could not be used by large amounts of people at the same time, meaning that public use is unlikely. However, for government use, fine. However, there is the risk of the planetary government lying to the galactic scale government with there being no other way to discredit the source, hence why I suggested having government observers, but they are still bribeable, so, while still a solution, it could just result in a whole bunch of North Koreas.
     
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    Well, but that experiment didn't actually transmit anything FTL. It's a neat demonstration of quantum entanglement, but all the information still had to travel at the speed of light.

    In general, the problem is causality--if you can send information faster than light, that means you can send information into the past. I'll grant you that both relativity and quantum mechanics are incomplete theories, but so far nothing we know about the laws of physics suggests such a thing is possible. I don't understand all the science myself, but here's the Wikipedia on this subject as a starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_communication
     
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    This is called entanglement and it's not doing what you think it is. Entangled particles decouple as soon as they measure either one of them. The process happens instantly regardless of how far apart they are, but no information travels faster than light, the process simply does not need information to do so.

    Think of it this way: the entangled particles are represent able by a formula f(x). Once you collapse the wave function on one side, you define the new particle as g(x). By mathematical definition, you automatically define the other as (f-g)(x). That's all entanglement can do, it can not be used to send information. Look up the "delayed choice quantum eraser" experiment for more details.
     
  13. AustinFrom1995

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    I dunno if you are asking me (because your post was directly beneath mine), or the OP, but on the off chance you are asking me:

    "Are all of your species at about the same technological evolutionary step?"

    No. The Ashira Collective catagorizes species into "levels" depending on technological development (primarily aerospace and industrial) For example, Humans are a measily 2. (Exoatmopheric craft developed, no extra-planetary colonies established)

    "How long ago did the first couple get together?"

    The Ashira Collective was established while the Roman Empire was at its height, to give an idea of temporal scale.

    "Are there species that have been space faring for a million years?"

    No. The earliest archeological evidence for space-travel has been dated to (Earth year) 100,000 bc. However, this is a point of much debate, and as the evidence (a derelict space craft) can be traced to no living species, the general consensus is that they had gone extinct in the intervening centuries.

    As for governments, That is an area I am still working on. :)
     
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    I have not read the other answers, but here are my thoughts:

    1) It would not be wrong to assume that any creature with higher thought would have similar motivations to us, after all, similar situations must exist for them to reach higher intelligence and have a government system like ours (loosely similar to concurrent evolution).
    2) People who chase a position of power (and this is not based on research) tend to be self-serving, narcissistic arse-holes; and that describes most politicians.
    3) Of course similar differences will exist between similar thinking people due to the social/ religious/ political constructs they are raised in.
     

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