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    Hyphens and Dashes

    Discussion in 'Articles' started by Que, Jan 1, 2022.

    Hyphens join two words to make one word, and dashes divide one sentence to make two sentences.

    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to school -– it flew away.

    Some writers use one minus sign for hyphens and dashes, and some use an EN dash (Ctrl-Underline) for hyphens. I use two minus signs (--) or an EM dash ((Ctrl-Alt-Underline) to make it more obvious that there is a dash, not a hyphen between the two sentences.

    Most style guides for printed books say that hyphens should join two words without spaces, and that dashes should divide sentences with spaces—unless an EM dash is used between the two parts of a sentence. In that case, there should be no space. Use the examples below to choose how you'd like your hyphens and dashes to appear in your writing.

    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to school-it flew away.
    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to school – it flew away.
    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to school -- it flew away.
    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to school—it flew away.


    The only caveat for e-books is that hyphens and dashes without a space might create an empty space on the right side of the screen if the user selects a font size that makes the words before and after the dash wrap to the next line.

    Suzy took her yellow-feathered canary to
    school—it flew away.
     

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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Que, Jan 1, 2022.

    1. SapereAude
      SapereAude
      Partially correct, as I understand it. Hyphens (the shortest of the three types of dash) join words or parts of words. EM dashes (the longest of the three types of dash) are used to subdivide a sentence into clauses. The EM dash can be used in lieu of commas, or in lieu of parentheses for this purpose.

      The EN dash is neither a hyphen nor an EM dash, and should not be used where a hyphen or an EM dash is called for. The EN dash is used for things like punctuating ranges of numbers (as in "1937–1942") or separating the numbers in sports scores ("The Bears beat the Bengals by a score of 36–28"). In some instances, the EN dash is also appropriate for separating a prefix to a proper noun (as in "pre–Renaissance").

      I'm basically familiar with the Chicago Manual Of Style, and the CMOS does NOT call for spaces between words and any kinds of dashes.

      https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/HyphensEnDashesEmDashes/faq0002.html


      IMHO, the fourth version is correct, the first three are not. I don't view it as a question of preference, I view it as a question of which is correct and which are not correct.
      Last edited: Jan 4, 2022
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    2. evild4ve
      evild4ve
      I'd second this but would add a rider that correctness is contextual - e.g. as to dialect and form - the Chicago Manual of Style doesn't apply to a hairdresser writing an email in the Cape Town Flats. Or to an Englishman typing into a web-form.

      I'd suggest the Em Dash is already dying due to it being in the ASCII symbols but not on the QWERTY keyboard - something it has in common with curled apostrophes and speechmarks.

      We'll be left with - ' ". And that's fine - typography mustn't become more than a means to an end, or a way of encoding snobbery around who may and who may not write. Are we really saying we'll throw someone's manuscript back at them because it has 1937-1942 rather than 1937–1942? Wouldn't that be punishing the other person for not having been passed a hidden caste-mark by another member of a literate elite?

      The Ctrl + Alt + _ shortcut doesn't seem to work for me (in this text box or on LibreOffice). Would the OP mind checking if it isn't specific to certain word processors?
    3. SapereAude
      SapereAude
      It didn't work for me, either -- using Word 2019 on a Windoze computer. What does work -- in Word and in SoftMaker TextMaker but not in LibreOffice Writer -- is CTRL+number pad '-' for an EN dash, and CTRL+ALT+number pad '-' for an EM dash.

      In LibreOffice Writer, the following is from the LibreOffice manual:

      The above also works in Word 2019 (on Windows), except that Word isn't smart enough to use an EN dash between numbers if you don't type the spaces (which is not a correct format for ranges of numbers). It doesn't work in TextMaker 2021.
      Last edited: Jan 5, 2022
    4. SapereAude
      SapereAude
      Manuscripts are manuscripts, not books. I'm old enough to remember when manuscripts were typed on mechanical (and then electric! Woo Hoo!) typewriters, and italics were indicated by underscoring the text. (And underscoring was a multi-step operation -- first you typed the text, then you backspaced to the beginning, then you typed a batch of underscore characters until you reached the end of the selection.) Most word processors automatically replace straight quotation marks (primes) with "curly" quotation marks if the typeface offers them, so that's not an issue. In traditional publishing, a book designer or typesetter takes care of converting double hyphens to EN or EM dashes. In the self-publishing universe, the author usually is the book designer and the typesetter, so it's best (IMHO) to learn the differences among hyphens, EN dashes, and EM dashes, and learn how to create them (if your word processor doesn't do so automatically).

      I'm rather anal about using the right type of dash (and in the generally-accepted "correct" format) in my books. I'm more likely to cheat and cut corners when blathering away on Internet forums.

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