1. Firefly4420

    Firefly4420 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2010
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0

    Is this an intriguing or dull plot?

    Discussion in 'Plot Development' started by Firefly4420, Aug 19, 2010.

    My idea is that a girl, an average high-school girl who is constantly in the shadows, is thrown into a rape/murder case because while leaving a club she witnessed the actual act. But she was in a state of shock that left her unable to remember the face that ran past her out of the alleyway which is the scene of the crime.

    Eventually, a year or so after the case is closed she suddenly dreams of the event that has haunted her for years and sees the face that ran away. But she doesn't take it to the police because it is someone she knows and cares about. (I haven't decided who yet). So she decides to investigate herself.

    I want to alternate between this girl and the man committing the crimes, so you get two POVs and a full circle story, but is it too common or too much?
     
  2. Cogito

    Cogito Former Mod, Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Messages:
    36,161
    Likes Received:
    2,827
    Location:
    Massachusetts, USA
    A story concept means nothing. I can tell you now, it has all been done before. What matters is how you write it, the characterization, the flow, the imagery, all of it.

    There's no benefit in asking what other people think of the concept! They'll either say,"Sounds great," or, "it sounds like a ripoff of..."

    If the idea stirs you, write it. Then ask people what they think of the final story. After they tell you what they don't like about it, revise it, usually several times, until you're happy with it or until you throw up your hands and say the hell with it.

    Please read this thread about What is Plot Creation and Development?
     
  3. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2006
    Messages:
    19,150
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Location:
    Coquille, Oregon
    yup!
     
  4. Trevor

    Trevor New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2008
    Messages:
    32
    Likes Received:
    1
    I've probably seen that post a thousand times and now I say it:

    On this board you push a philosophy of writing publication worthy writing and yet you also push the notion that writing quality will always trump plot.

    So, why then do agents request plot information and synopses? If you send a piece of Faulkner about about a tree I doubt the agent or publisher would be very interested in reading the actual manuscript.
     
  5. B-Gas

    B-Gas New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2007
    Messages:
    329
    Likes Received:
    14
    Agents want plot synopses to know what kind of story you're writing and whether they can sell it to publishers- a romance specialist doesn't want to try to sell a sci-fi epic, for example. Once they know what kind of story you're writing and are sure that it's within their capabilities to sell it, they then ask you to send your actual writing in. After they read the manuscript, they decide whether or not it is publishable.

    Plot synopses are only useful in that initial point, the spark. Whether the spark catches or not is up to the writing. This site is focused on that second part, because writing a punchy, saleable plot summary is easy.
     
  6. Cogito

    Cogito Former Mod, Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Messages:
    36,161
    Likes Received:
    2,827
    Location:
    Massachusetts, USA
    A couple reasons. One is that the ability to write a clear, succinct synopsis can tell the submissions editor about the writer's ability to communicate.

    Another is that publishers are looking for certain genre niches more than others at any given time. It doesn't mean the piece of writing that doesn't appear (from the synopsis) to be what they are looking for is any less publishable or of poorer quality, it just means it doesn't grab that editor's interest.

    A third reason isn't a great one, but it's what you have to live with. The submissions editors have a huge volume of queries coming in, and they can't give them all the attention they probably deserve. So the synopsis is used to filter the traffic. Just like a resume doesn't really tell an employer all that much about a candidate, the synopsis doesn't tell the submissions editor much about the book. But it is used as a screening criterion anyway.

    When someone posts here to get an opinion on a story idea, the writing itself does not yet exist. It's a partially formed summary, but what really matters is the actual writing, no matter how brilliant or crappy the summary is.

    You should always be able to write a better synopsis of a completed piece of writing than of a partially developed idea.

    The sole purpose of a synopsis in a query letter is to convince the submissions editor to take the time to look over the actual manuscript. The manuscript is what the acceptance or rejection will be based on.
     
  7. Norm

    Norm New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Michigan
    For the record, go ahead and write it.
     
  8. Lyssaur

    Lyssaur New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2010
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    3
    If you have to ask then it's probably not good enough.
    /not meant to be harsh.
     
  9. Mallory

    Mallory Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,267
    Likes Received:
    199
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    It sounds awesome -- btw, if you want reviews or anything, PM me! I study psychology/criminology so I could offer input on how that kind of thing might affect the characters in different ways and stuff. I find that type of thing fascinating. Reviewing it would be fun!

    For the record, as everyone says, any plot can be good or lame depending on your writing skills as you get the story from your head to the Word Doc. :)
     
  10. Manav

    Manav New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Messages:
    838
    Likes Received:
    21
    Location:
    Imphal, India
    I think the POV should remain with the girl's, if you want to maintain the mystery throughout the book.
     
  11. SandraLSC

    SandraLSC New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2010
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Ky.
    I agree with Manav.
     
  12. Cogito

    Cogito Former Mod, Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Messages:
    36,161
    Likes Received:
    2,827
    Location:
    Massachusetts, USA
    Different POV decisions result in different stories. There is not a single best choice, although switching POVs requires more skill from the writer to do well.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice