Is this incest?

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  1. big soft moose

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    not forgetting that Danaerys is in love with Jon who is almost certainly her half brother... however the point as far as amazon is concerned is that the book isn't about incest. Its a side plot that the approval bot probably doesn't even notice.
     
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    Yeah, that's definitely incest. Whether the human was in on it or not, the mind in the femdroid was their bro. That is so messed up on so many levels
     
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    So, why does this guy sleep with his RoBroSis? putting aside to the incest for a moment. I am genuinely curious.
     
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    Agreed. It's all about the writing. I might stop reading one; I might enjoy another. I might also be grossed out by both, but I'd keep reading the good one.
    Sometimes, I would guess in most cases, actually, that reason is drama. George R.R. Martin doesn't take any big stands either way. It's just a messed up fact in the middle of a story full of messed up characters doing horrible things. It drives story and adds to character in a less disturbing way (in my opinion) than all the slavery, involuntary castration, mass murder, forced prostitution, rape and child sacrifice. Mass appeal and marketability are factors in everything we write, and in that regard, it's worth contemplation. Otherwise, I think it can be inserted into a book without much concern. As long as there's call for it in the story, meaning it isn't shoehorned in for ridiculously inorganic reasons, the drama it creates is the justification.

    Much of this depends on genre, of course. Jeffrey Eugenides and Vladimir Nabokov, in contrast, deal with the realities and psychological impact of real world incest. It's a whole different matter. I doubt that's what we're going for here though.
     
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    I appreciate incest in tragedy, like in Oedipus Rex or the Silmarillion, or the Saga of the Volsungs, but there it's unwitting and it serves a purpose. It adds horror and inevitability to the story. Willing incest involving the protagonist is one of those things that I avoid.
     
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    Murder, slaughter, war, and other jazz like that do not involve getting into bed to do the do with your immediate siblings! Historically, instances of incest have occured, in periods of time in which it was socially acceptable. Fantasy is one thing, where it can take place in any time period without our rules, however sci-fi often takes place in the future, which comes after now, when getting into bed with immediate siblings is regarded as messed up and puts the resulting child, where that occurs, at risk for hundreds of genetic disorders.
     
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    ****************off topic but interesting aside:

    In the news recently a married couple found out that not only were they brother and sister, but they were TWINS. They just thought it was a funny co-incidence that they had the exact same birthday including the year. (I wonder how that went at cocktail parties...."yeah, me and the wife were both born on 2/22/75...isn't that cute?" :D
     
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    Off topic, but somewhat related.

    I I once watched a documentary where a couple prior to getting married like in your story turned out to be siblings, however, their mother had tons of children. And turns out a lot of people they knew and liked were siblings including the guys best friend
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    Incest is like surstromming. It might be harmless and I won't physically stop you from partaking, but I would prefer not to be involved in any way and don't expect me to kiss you after you've finished.
     
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    This is... all kinds of messed up. Of course it's incest.
     
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    Thank you Dapper!
     
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    This is, perhaps, the wrong time and place to reveal this, but my parents have the same birthday. Born in different states, neither adopted, and couldn't (well, both fall under "white", but) be more different physically. When I was a kid, they both also had the same make and model of car, one that was a common and inexpensive vehicle of its era.

    I thought that my friends whose parents had different birthdays, were different ages, and drove different cars (did I mention that my dad's car was blue, and my mom's red, inflicting me with severe gender-stereotyping as to colors from birth?) were absolute unholy freaks!
     
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    Now that's what you call Kindred Spirits.
     
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    For about ten or twelve years :( but that's a whole other story.
     
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    Oh, damn. Sorry about that
     
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    Same birthday but what about year? I hear all the time about the same day, but year too?
     
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    Guys, guys, guys.

    Guys.

    Guys....

    ........

    It's pronounced Win-cest.
     
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    Wait... wait...

    :superthink:

    Incest...
    Win-cest...
    Pwincest...
    Princess

    Oh my God! It was an inside job. They are siblings. The royal family are inbredded.
     
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    Hehe... phrasing.

    Gosh, I'm immature.
     
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    Aren't we all, LOL! It's part and parcel with the territory of being a writer.!!
     
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    Mom is, IIRC, three and a half hours older.
     
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    Has anybody ever told you the odds?

    (you sure they were born in different hospitals? have you seen the records? ;) )
     
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    Around 10,000 births a day in the United States, although I'm sure the number was lower back then.
     
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    No, the odds that a man and woman with same day and birth year would marry?
     
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