1. Jeff Countryman

    Jeff Countryman Living the dream

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    Kindle, kobo, google???? which one?

    Discussion in 'Electronic Publishing' started by Jeff Countryman, Oct 15, 2015.

    I have an ISBN to publish my novel. It covers ALL electronic versions. To publish a printed version, I would need another ISBN. I have the choice of applying it to either one. The problem is which electronic version to publish/sell? I see only three:

    Kindle: The best of the best.
    Kobo: The others.
    Google Books: Doesn't even rate.

    That's sad. There's no other online publishers in the running (unless you publish for free on ZILLIONS of available sites).

    A whole new world!
     
  2. Steerpike

    Steerpike Felis amatus Contributor

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    Barnes & Noble, Apple.

    Unless you're going with Kindle exclusivity, publish on all of them.
     
  3. jannert

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    I have a friend (in my writing group) who has published for print as well as online (Kindle.) He used Lulu for the print-on-demand service for the printed copies, and they apparently give out an ISBN number free, along with doing a heck of a good job with the printing. His book is printed to a very high standard. So if you want to publish print-on-demand, there's your other ISBN number.

    I'm with Steerpike. Publish on as many online platforms as you can. I do believe the eBooks (Apple) version is growing in popularity, along with the proliferation of the bigger iPhone. Although I've always been a Mac user, I have a Kindle as my eReader, so I can't offer any 'review' of the Apple devices for reading. But they do seem to be growing in popularity.
     
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    ddavidv Senior Member

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    The only copy of my books I have sold other than via Amazon/Kindle is via B&N...for my wife's Nook. None of the other formats have generated any sales (and I've offered them in most all formats). The Kindle is the current favorite, by far. I own one myself.
     
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    Personally I'm using Draft 2 Digital as an agregator (yeah there's a cost in terms of percentage but not up front but i reckon its worth it) which takes a lot of hassle out of multiple markets

    they offer access to

    • Amazon
    • iBooks
    • Barnes & Noble
    • Kobo (including Kobo Plus)
    • Tolino
    • OverDrive (libraries)
    • Scribd
    • 24Symbols
    • Playster
    • Inktera (formally Page Foundry)
    I'm also looking at Bundle rabbit , but curently thats not a d2d option so i' have to do that one manually
     
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    Thank you for the lulu referral. Print on demand may limit profit, but it's great for us poor folks just starting
     
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    Thanks for lulu referral. Print on demand may limit profit, but it's great for us poor first book publishers. [oops]
     
  8. The Kindle king

    The Kindle king Banned

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    Amazon Kindle is by far the biggest and best platform to use, and if you want physical books, then use Createspace, they are now owned by Amazon.
    95% of my new authors get physical books now, besides Kindle, the ISBN is free, the quality since Amazon purchased the company has gone up no ends.
    And wholesale costs are good too, I would definitely check them out. Best of luck.
     
  9. big soft moose

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    If they are self publishing via create space in what way are they "your" authors ?

    That aside unless someone goes into KU select there's no reason to limit to just Amazon for ebooks, while it probably does have the biggest reach other options offer different things (like I books are definitely the most accessible to apple phone readers (ditto google for android) , and kobo doesnt have the 9.99 70% gap which is good if you are putting out box sets and such
     
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  10. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    Because when you pay $700 - $7000 you're buying the privilege to be called one of 'his' authors?:rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah I missed the spam link in his signature line - the worst kind of vanity publishing, where not only do you pay through the nose but you still have to do most of the work yourself.

    I love the guarantee that you'll become a best selling author. Being #1 in the top 100 free books , on the smaller amazon sites doesn't really constitute best selling by any reasonable definition of the word

    EOTD despite the name this isn't a publisher at all (createspace will be the publisher of record if you use their free ISBNs) its an editing and proof reading service in a dress

    If anyone wants to spend a couple of grand on launching their book I'd urge them to spend most of it on a good editor, and on decent cover art and keep the rest for marketing via book bub or amazon ads
     
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  12. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    That's exactly what it means - and you should see the amazing editing skills of their editors. I looked up the publisher on Amazon and the wording in these things is... no. Just no.
     
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    Amazon has always owned 'Createspace'. Originally the company was called book surge but it was bought by amazon in 2005 (12 years ago - hardly 'now' ) Amazon changed its name to Createspace in 2009
     
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    There's nothing wrong per se with a publisher using print on demand (although most of those that do use ingram for the service) but a redflag is the use of the free create space isbn - as I said before if they do that CS is the publisher of record.

    Another red flag is the the terminology that they will create 'kindle' files for you. Files for amazon distribution to kindle are Mobi files , most other ereaders use epub. (also Scrivener can output both types so their creation is hardly a big deal....)
     
  15. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    Right. I was more referring to:

    And his site is all red flags.
     
  16. big soft moose

    big soft moose An Admoostrator Staff Supporter Contributor Community Volunteer

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    Yeah sorry I knew what you were refering to, I quoted the wrong post on that.

    Well yes, quite, posting signature spam on a writers forum is a massive red flag
     
  17. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    :D Someone should get him a new avatar of a pretty red flag.

    I asked him on one of his other posts if he considered himself a vanity publisher and he liked my post. At least he didn't try to argue it, I guess.
     
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    I just noticed on another thread that he was advising people to do their own audio books using audacity.... I mean you can, but its a hell of a lot of work to do well , and narrating an Audiobook is very different from just reading your manuscript aloud

    This is the gift that just keeps giving - its like having Joe Sixpack back to share his... ahem.. knowledge with us

    Personally I'm looking at using authors republic to do an audio book for the darkest storm when I launch it in the spring (I'm not going to bother with Honest Intent since its a novella - short books don't do well in the audio market - kids books aside)
     
  19. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    And in another one he suggested writing forums to build a fan base. He's full of meaningless advice.

    I don't know who Joe Sixpack is.

    I've thought of looking into audio for mine, but never get around to it.
     
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    My favorite was where he suggested podcasting via facebook live

    Also hes claiming the Julian Brodle book as a best seller (the only one which isn't free as far as i can tell) , according to amazon its sales ranking is quite considerably lower than that

    Did you miss the joy of Joe's insight into the publishing world ... check him out in the members area - he's banned now (amongst other things he thought create space were a vanity publisher)
     
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    big soft moose An Admoostrator Staff Supporter Contributor Community Volunteer

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    aaaand he's joined Joe Sixpax in that dark unforgiving realm :D
     
  22. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    He was a special guy.

    I did miss Joe's insight, but I will try to find him. I'm always up for a laugh. :D

    Good place for him. I'm sure it was totally unexpected.
     
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    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    Yeah, Apple is second to Amazon for me. B&N used to be, but has pretty much sunk without a trace over the last 2-3 years. Kobo used to sell decently, but doesn't seem to have done much since the Pornopocalypse (when they pulled all indie books from sale for some time to censor them).

    Heck, I should really check Kobo's site and see if my books ever got put back. Maybe they forgot.
     

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