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Pirated digital books

Discussion in 'Electronic Publishing' started by GingerCoffee, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Samuel Lighton

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    Could probably do a better job. Maybe change the title too. That's a dead give away.

    But yeah, they would get more exposure. There would be an inevitable legal battle, that stuff always makes news. People love their drama.
     
  2. Samuel Lighton

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    Bookstores don't loan you books.

    Bookstores don't loan you books.


    Bookstores don't loan you books.
     
  3. ChickenFreak

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    Whose life are you saving with the pirated books?

    Interlibrary...no, wait: Police.

    Whose life are you saving with the pirated books?
     
  4. ChickenFreak

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    Yes....and? Who said that this needed to involve bookstores? Go to the library. I realize that they don't sell caffeine right inside, but you can periodically run out and get some, like a dolphin surfacing for air.
     
  5. Laurin Kelly

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    I'm astounded by your dedication to make sure every book reading experience you have is outstanding, and that every dollar you spend only goes towards things you like and are never let down by.

    If my book's not your jam that still doesn't mean you get it for free. Just because you didn't get anything out of the experience doesn't mean the book is worthless. The time and money I and my publisher have spent putting my book on the market hoping to get enough interest that readers will give it a try is worth recouping. If I put my house on the market at too high a value you don't have to buy it, but you don't get to live in it for free either while you do a cost/benefit analysis.
     
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    Deleted duplicate post.
     
  7. Samuel Lighton

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    Yes, but some books aren't in libraries. I remember a while back some books were censored or restricted in libraries. Or just plain not available.


    It wasn't that long ago that the bible was pirated.
     
  8. ChickenFreak

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    What country are you in?
     
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    ....you do realize that there are many editions of the Bible that are well out of copyright, right?
     
  10. Samuel Lighton

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    Funnily enough, the UK.

    Yes, I do know many editions of the bible are out of copyright. Are you going to go on about how those people were wrong too?
     
  11. ChickenFreak

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    What people? The people who wrote copyright law so that copyright would eventually expire?
     
  12. Samuel Lighton

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    Sorry, I thought you meant bibles that are out of copyright, as in they are illegally copyrighted. There's a couple of old bibles in the UGLE building in London that were illegally copied, by the old laws.

    Long story short, the people that did it just wanted to read. But nasty people said they weren't allowed to.

    Kind of like this whole subject really.
     
  13. Laurin Kelly

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    In both of your examples in the first paragraph, while I can empathize with the people involved I do not agree that they have the higher moral ground. I think there are a ton of things you could try first before stealing from the pharmacy or killing the bomber. Going directly to the last resort is lazy and selfish. If I had tried everything possible first, I might be able to stomach stealing from a pharmacy (though I would never convince myself it was moral or right), but I don't believe I could ever kill another human being under any circumstances even if it would save others. I'd rather kill myself and not live to see what happens.

    And I had to laugh at "I know it's giving something back in exposure". I used to be a professional dancer, and we had a saying when someone would try to get us to perform without pay. "Exposure? You know people die from exposure, right?"
     
  14. ChickenFreak

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    Project Gutenberg has a free and completely legal Bible online. That red herring isn't going to work.

    Meanwhile, your arguments would be relevant--not right, still, but relevant--if you had gone to the library seeking every book that you wanted to pirate, looking for it both locally and on loan. I'm not seeing you advocating that action.
     
  15. Samuel Lighton

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    Haha, that's a good saying.

    I still maintain the point that it's not going away though, and you don't have to agree, like or use it, but piracy isn't just take take take no matter what the intention was. To be fair, it's bad that piracy exists, but it's afforded a lot for the world.
     
  16. ChickenFreak

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    What? What has it afforded that wouldn't already exist?
     
  17. Samuel Lighton

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    Project Gutenberg has a bible for free online? I guess I'll just call the 1600's and tell them to get the internet then.
     
  18. ChickenFreak

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    So...you're advocating online piracy for the peasants of the fifteenth century? How, exactly, is that going to work?

    You do realize that there have been a few government and societal changes since then, right?
     
  19. Laurin Kelly

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    A sense of entitlement that everything someone wants should be something they should be able to obtain regardless of monetary investment?
     
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  20. Samuel Lighton

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    To be fair, ChickenFreak, neither of us is going to get through to the other. You won't shift off of 'Theft is theft, and theft is bad whatever the case' and I won't shift off of 'Theft is bad, but sometimes there's a good reason for it.'. So how about we call it quits now? Otherwise this will just go on forever.
     
  21. Samuel Lighton

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    Not much, just education, governmental reform, revolution, information. You know. The every day stuff.
     
  22. ChickenFreak

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    Actually, I never said theft is bad whatever the case.

    Your stealing medicine to save a life? Sure.

    Stealing a book because if you don't you might have to (gasp) go to a library or (gulp) risk some of your own money or (sob) not read every little thing you want to read? No.
     
  23. Samuel Lighton

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    Yeah, but you can't say "There's a free bible online" in a direct response to me talking about people who existed before the internet was created.
     
  24. ChickenFreak

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    I have no idea what the relevance of your fifteenth century people was. Would you care to explain?
     
  25. Samuel Lighton

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    So you're saying, only the ones with money to spend, and only the ones with the luxury of a working library system, and those without either of those can get boned for improving themselves? Otherwise they're dirty criminals and deserve to be punished, or they could just go without?
     

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