Rejection, rejection, rejection...

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  1. deadrats

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    Hey @Michele -- I think you're comment is directed towards @Alex R. Encomienda and not me. I don't think you've read my work, though, I likely have the same problems everyone else does pretty much.

    I feel like a writer because I am a writer. Sure, it's nice to be published, but it's also nice to really work an idea and keep working it so it's got a shot out there. Competition is crazy. I've never had so many sales that I ran out of stories. I think I will always have more stories than sales.
     
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    A bIt fed up with ‘the game - after my R. Carver crap-failure - but I’m sure I’ll get back to it - and playing a different game fwiw...for a while, a potential return to the world of suits, interview on Tuesday week. Yip :/

    Also I re-tweeted Donald Trump - by accident - I can’t delete it. Maybe my son did it, for a joke? As if I’d tweet a trump statement about taxation. Well, I did.

    Working today - some great adventures - 20 foot up a ladder, then 40 minutes aside some bipolar genius. He was great fun. 17 bicycles in his front room.
     
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    Text post - computer poorly
     
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    Blog always disappears when I have job interview - by order...

    ‘And close that fekkin blog...’
     
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    Ah, now the penny drops.
    You re-tweeted Donald? That was brave.
     
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    No...I looked at my tweet account and my eight followers and somehow I retweeted his summer tax statement/and gained a new follower btw.

    Same night I deleted all my annoying celebrity ‘follows.’ I literally spend an hour drafting replies such as ‘‘your definition of “racist” is not strictly rigorous. and maybe there were actually no free changing rooms? sincerely.’
     
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    I hear you @matwoolf But who ever really wins those contests? You're quite talented and have a lot to offer the world. I'll be your biggest cheerleader if you want. :)
     
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    Hey @dr, i’m jess riffing - can’t express so well on the telephone texting...but...but...not very engaged ...ach, you know...only a ‘wobble.’
     
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    I submitted a different story to their magazine Carve. Maybe you should give them a try through their regular submissions. I have a friend who submitted to the magazine and got a very detailed response, still a rejection, but he found it helpful.

    If you want a list a free places to submit, I can message you my submission lineup for this fall. I'm trying to avoid reading fees because I can't really afford them right now. But a ton of places will reopen to submissions soon. It can't hurt, and you might actually do pretty well.

    As always, I'm happy to read anything you want some extra eyes on.
     
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    Ha, maybe you pressed the wrong symbol, I do that sometimes as I don't know what they all mean. I mean I'm a techy and I don't get the hang of Twitter. Mind you if you are a celebrity and you have a Twitter account you have to watch your back, as some people rake up your old Tweets and break you with them. It's a brave new world don't you know.
    I have quite a few followers, although I don't know what they are looking at because I don't tweet anything. Perhaps I have an unusual magnetic appeal that crosses the the internet divide. ;)

    Second that on the eyes, although Deadrats is very good with the crits I must say, very helpful.
     
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  11. Maz Lang

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    self publish... thats what im gonna do and sell on amazon etc... x
     
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    Well, that's an option a lot of people are going for, but mainly for novels, full length. If you have a group of shorts you could go down that route otherwise that isn't really on the table.
     
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    That's great if that's what you want to do, but most of us on this thread aren't interested in that. This is a thread about rejection because there is a lot of it and every writer who tries to put their work out there is going to face rejection. Sure, anyone can self publish. And that's part of the problem -- that anyone can do it. The focus of this thread is on selling work to literary journals which is a completely different path than self publishing.
     
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    So, I haven't been rejected in a week. I hope I'm not jinxing myself, but my next response will be number 100 in the last 12 months. And I thought it was a hard thing to get 100 rejections in a year. But I would really like to put off reaching 100 rejections in a year for a little longer. Can't the next one just be an acceptance? Come on, lucky no. 100.
     
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    Three rejections in two days. It's okay though, i'm used to it.
     
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    Made it through another weekend rejection free. :)
     
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    I was getting a little too comfortable with all this time of from rejections. Yes, it came. I have received 100 rejections in the last 12 months. Today's rejection was a 45-day form rejection from filling Station.
     
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    well, every rejection is one closer to acceptance.
     
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    How so? It's not like you need a certain number of rejections to have something accepted. This really isn't a math thing. Sure, it's nice to say something like that, but I don't think it's true.
     
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    That's one every 3.65 days, although writing that probably won't make you feel any better. :(
    Filling Station sounds like somewhere you go to get petrol not stories. I guess you can 'fill up' with words instead. :D
     
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    I really do get rejected A LOT! I wonder what sort of effect so much rejection might have on a personal overall. There have been several hundred rejections over recent years, but this is the first time I've hit 100 in 12 months. And, yeah, a rejection every few days seems about right.
     
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    That kind of rejection is tough. I guess the old saying, 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger', might be true here.
     
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    May be helpful to think of the rejection as being not of you? I mean, you're not sending yourself to these places!
     
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    Yes, but I am still the creator of what's being rejected. It's my best efforts being rejected. I guess the fact that I continuously write and submit, it probably helps. I mean I have way more submissions out there than I could possibly receive rejections on in a day, a week... A lot of my submissions are going to take a long time to get rejected. I've got some things out that could be seen as promising. Waiting for those makes me less concerned with some other rejections.
     
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    I think the result is likely to be burnout.

    There's a quote about burnout that went around the programmer community:

    No. Burnout is caused when you repeatedly make large amounts of sacrifice and or effort into high-risk problems that fail. It's the result of a negative prediction error in the nucleus accumbens. You effectively condition your brain to associate work with failure.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5630445

    I'm burned out at my job, not from overwork, but from too many "my work is leading to nothing" experiences. I warn you that burnout is not something under your control--it hits abruptly, and the your brain says, "You want to put creative cognitive effort into that thing that hasn't rewarded me all this time? Very funny. Not gonna happen."

    Writing and submitting for publication is inherently a "fail a lot until you succeed" thing--that's how it's expected to go--but your brain doesn't necessarily understand that nuance.

    A quote from the same page, by a grad student in the sciences:

    The nature of the culture means that grad students are "groomed" by sticking them on low-probability of success, high reward fishing expeditions (gotta get those nature, science papers) I used to burn out for months after accumulating many many hours of work on high-risk projects. I saw other grad students get it really bad, and burn out for years.

    ...On the heels of the failure of a project where I have spent weeks building up for, I will quickly force myself to do routine molecular biology, or general lab tasks, or a repeat of an experiment that I have gotten to work in the past. These all have an immediate reward. Now I don't burn out anymore, and find it easier to re-attempt very difficult things, with a clearer mindset.

    If I were you, I'd find a way to associate some part of your writing life with reliable reward--even if the reward feels rote and obvious.

    Figuring out the "reliable reward" is a difficulty. A blog? A critique partner or group that reliably makes you feel good about your writing? A friend with a website who'd be ecstatic to have someone write good copy? A charity that has the same need?

    I realize that all of those things might be a waste of your talent, just as doing routine work for the scientist above might be a waste of their talent. But the goal is to feed your brain, reliably, with some sort of reward associated with writing. The part of your brain that decides, "Is this worth it?" is, I believe, not capable of the cognition required for, "Yes, if we just keep on going and going. Ignore those disappointments; they're just part of the whole effort." You have to occasionally feed that part of the brain a cookie.
     

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