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    RomCom movies vs books

    Discussion in 'Romance Forums' started by BayView, Aug 13, 2017.

    I think it was one of you guys who pointed out that you generally enjoy RomCom novels, but generally can't stand RomCom movies, and I'm in exactly the same boat.

    But I really can't figure out why. Do you guys feel the same way, and if so... any theories?
     
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    I think that was Laurin.

    I haven't watched a whole lot of romcoms but I generally find them okay - not amazing but not terrible. There are a few I've liked enough to watch several times, including What Women Want and Miss Congeniality (does that count as a romcom?)

    I've really struggled to find romcom novels I like. I think my standards for fictional men are WAY too high, and I also find it hard to switch off author mode when I read in my genre.

    I do think the men come off far less sympathetic on screen than they would in a novel. Not only do you miss out on introspection on screen, but character development is often sacrificed for cheap jokes. Then again, I think Mel Gibson's character in WWW would be even more of an arsehole in novel form, so maybe that theory is bollocks.
     
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    I'm the same as Tenderiser, and actually those are two of my favorite romcom movies as well. I also have seen The Proposal several times, but I don't think that counts because I mostly watch it for the parts with Betty White, because I love her.

    (And now I'm really afraid of Tenderiser reading my book since I'm pretty sure she's going to hate it. Which is okay, of course but - :eek:)
     
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    Hmmm... now I'm trying to think of RomCom novels I've enjoyed... I think Georgette Heyer's stuff would classify, at least some of it. The plots are totally over-the-top and absurd, but I'm willing to go along with them because the writing is so fun.

    I wonder if good writing in a written RomCom is the equivalent of a good/appealing actor in a movie. I didn't hate The Proposal, and a large part of that was because both of the leads are actors who I like. Same with most of the Ryan Gosling/Emma Stone oeuvre. Hmmmm... possibly my theory's falling apart....
     
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    I think whether or not I like them definitely depends, in large part, on whether or not I like the actors. If I hate the actor, sometimes I just can't get past it.
     
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    I doubt I will hate it. :D Well, okay, I probably will if you have an alpha-hole male. ;)

    There might be something in that. Sandra Bullock is one of my favourite actresses, hence Miss Congeniality, and Helen Hunt is class (WWW). I love Bruce Almighty which is kinda-sorta-a-bit-like-a-romcom, and I like both Jennifer Aniston and Jim Carrey.

    On the other hand I can't stand Love Actually, and am indifferent about all the main actors in that.
     
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    Oh, eww. No, he's nothing like that. I can't handle that shit. I'd punch them.



    I like Love Actually, in a - this can play in the background and I don't have to pay attention to it kinda way. Because I never pay attention to it.

    I'm with you on the rest though. :D
     
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    That describes how I feel about romcom movies - they're pleasant background noise for the most part. Not offensive but not scintillating either. Whereas the romcom novels I've enjoyed really stick in my mind and make me laugh/cry/etc.
     
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    I think maybe part of my problem with RomComs is that they're so BIG--like millions and millions of dollars, hundreds of people, probably, involved in putting them together, etc.--so when they spout offensive, paternalistic, oh, isn't-the-woman-so-silly bullshit, I feel like it's more disgusting. Like, really? Out of all those people, there weren't enough with just a little sense who could stand up and say, uh, actually, she's acting like a total idiot here... couldn't we shift it around a little.

    Charming idealistic of me, I guess.

    I can ignore it when a single author and his/her editor create characters I hate, but it's harder to accept it when a large group creates those characters!
     
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    I actually agree with this, but I think many women want to be swept off their feet so to speak, and most men just can't rise to the occasion without dumbing the chick down a bit. I console myself with the knowledge that I know she's an idiot.
     
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    Yep, that was actually me. I'm very picky about comedies in general though, so I think that contributes greatly. I feel like I can count the comedy movies I like on both hands and have fingers left over.

    I also feel like the lack of diversity in RomComs bores me greatly, it seems to always be 20-30 year old middle class straight white people with first world problems that I've seen fifty million times before. It's not a movie, but the most recent season of Master of None on Netflix was an incredible RomCom that I was 100% up for. Dev and Francesca's journey was full stop amazing.
     
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    That's a very good point, Laurin. I can't think of any well-known romcoms featuring people who aren't white and middle class.

    Well, there's 50 Shades of Black, but that's (obviously) parody rather than straight up romcom. Worth a watch though!
     
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    There is a definite sub-culture of black movies that a lot of white people (including me) don't know much about--the tradition Tyler Perry came out of (and will hopefully go BACK to), and I think some of them are romcoms. And of course a lot of Bollywood movies are essentially romcoms, but I agree, the big Hollywood blockbusters tend to be very white.

    I think Will Smith has done some, though? And maybe Eddie Murphy? Coming to America had more emphasis on the Com than the Rom, but I think it might fit. I'm not thinking of many WOMEN of colour who get to star in them, though?

    The list at https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/best-romantic-comedies-of-all-time/ has ONE character of colour in 45 movies (so 90 lead characters?), based on a quick scan of the images. So... yeah, yikes.
     
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    The only one I can think of starring Will Smith is Hitch, and he wasn't the love interest. I agree on the Tyler Perry stuff (and I don't know much about it either). Would Barbershop count? It's not a romance though, really, although there is some in it. I can't think of any others.

    Definitely a yikes moment.
     
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    I guess The Nutty Professor could just about be classed as a romcom, but is really a sci-fi comedy with a romance subplot.

    I can't think of a single one with a black woman as a lead. Or Asian, outside of Bollywood (I do love me a Bollywood romcom though!)

    This is depressing.

    You know what the answer is? My manuscripts into movies. I'll start the petition.
     
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    I can think of a romance that has a black woman as the lead, but not romcom. My books wouldn't help. I have 2 white women and a spanish chick.
     
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    Along with whities I have a black woman, a mixed race man, and an Indian (Asian, not Native) woman.

    And a token gay friend.*

    *I say this tongue in cheek. Don't kick me out.
     
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    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    It must sound pretty weird saying things with your tongue in your cheek.

    I don't have any token anything in mine. Maybe I should add one. :p
     
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    A token socially-awkward British woman called Tendee?
     
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    I was gonna call her PITA :p
     
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    sadturtle.jpg
     
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    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    Ah, what a lovely representation of role reversal and homesickness you have portrayed here, Tenderiser. Bloody touching!

    That's pretty cute - and I have no clue what it means.
     
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    It's me (I am a turtle) being sad and forlorn. Do you feel guilty? DO YA?
     
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    Uh-huh. *nods* I do.

    *giggles as she walks away*
     
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