I'm noticing that many people in the debate room are going in circles and I want to talk about that. In a rush on my phone so I can't go to great detail but we all know what I'm talking about. I would like to look at some threads in other forums and quote people who are completely wasting their time to draw parallels without shaming people on this forum. Maybe I'll do that later. Can we talk about how shitty some of these discussions are and how to make them better? Edit: I'm open to the idea that this thread is in and of itself a shitty thing that shouldn't exist. Also, I have been a shitty internet debate fool before and probably will again so I'm not trying to sound like I'm above anyone. The point is to discuss how and why this is happening and how to correct it so we can actually maybe get somewhere in the debates. Unless the point is simply that people want to get into a hamster wheel and give themselves headaches, which we should also talk about.