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    The Brazos Formation (Adult Sci-fi)

    Discussion in 'Query & Cover Letter Critique' started by mrieder79, Dec 7, 2018.

    This is an updated version as of 2/17/19. Please give me your reactions. Is it interesting. Does it leave you confused. Do you want to read the book? Thanks in advance for all replies.
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    Richard Ford listens in horror as he receives Southern Belle’s final transmission: a garbled rush of screams, static, then cold, dead silence. Those are his friends out there. That’s not all; without the survey data locked in the doomed ship’s lab, Gulfo Oil is going under, taking Rich’s career and thousands of his employee’s jobs with it. More complications arise when Glasco’s disaster management consultant turns out to be Anita Morgan, Rich’s first (and only) love whom he hasn’t seen for the last twenty years.


    Rich isn’t the quitting type, though. Together with Anita and Vincent Trevoy, his longtime friend and right-hand man, Rich organizes a salvage mission and finds Southern Belle off the Texas coast. The sunken ship is lying beside a mysterious, uncharted chasm. Stranger still are the scores of ten-foot-long, winged sea snails that emerge from the chasm at night to feed on the sunken ship’s steel hull.


    Vince uses a deep-sea diving suit to access Southern Belle’s lab and retrieve the data, but before he can surface, an unseen predator attacks him. He survives, but the data case falls into the chasm. Vince goes after it and and discovers an immense cavern full of giant, spider-like crabs, more winged snails, and a colossal leviathan that shrieks out of the darkness with gaping jaws.


    While Vince is escaping, Rich and Anita discover the giant snails have migrated from the seafloor to feed on the hull of their ship. The giant crabs have found them, too, attacking crewmembers and dragging them overboard to be devoured.


    Now Rich’s ship is sinking, his crew is dying, and he must find a way to save Vince, Anita, and the other survivors from the denizens of the Brazos Formation.


    THE BRAZOS FORMATION is a horror novel which runs 80,000 words.
     
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  2. matwoolf

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    First para

    - The opening sentence is not linear. [delete 'nothing']1.FORGET IT, people write in different ways
    - There is tense confusion in the second sentence. I can't see it anymore, I must have been cranky this morning :)
    - They might lose their jobs if they do not retrieve the data < Here, you are on the canvas. [cranky]

    Most questions answered in the first paragraph -'nobody knows,' etc...

    Second paragraph

    data repeated, plus an exciting premise presented in a tiresome fashion.

    leading to Brazos Formation which reads like 'math problem.'
    ...

    It has to sparkle. This is a gripping deep underseas adventure involving aliens. It should zing. It will in 2 or 3 hours. All best
     
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  3. Carriage Return

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    First impression: With the meat of it weighing-in at four paragraphs it’s on the beefy side (long) for a query letter.

    Oh, upon reading it, what you have here is the foundation for a solid one page synopsis (all it’s missing is the end).

    There is a way to distill this into a query. You’ve got an exciting story, and it’s very understandable—just too long.

    You also need a logline! What’s that sentence or two for your movie poster? Lead with that before dipping in to explain your book.

    You also do a good job leaving it with a cliffhanger to intrigue the agent to request a full.

    I’m assuming you’ll add a short bio at the end (just your education and any other pub credits (or omit if none to go with the award) and a personalized hook for the individual agent in a paragraph one.

    Good, but try and get it down from four paragraphs with one of those becoming a logline. The last one can be your teaser paragraph. Just put that stuff from the three into one. Make every word count.
     
  4. Carriage Return

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    I second this.

    Tighten it up, but also punch it up!
     
  5. Carriage Return

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    Logline chunk suggestions to get the juices flowing:

    "Some discoveries are best left alone..."
    "Something's lurking at the bottom of the sea..."
    "We found them. Or was it, they found us?"

    I dunno, come up with something cool that encapsulates your story
     
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    Rescue the people? Air pocket, are there survivors? That'll turn the page..?
     
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    Loglines are far from necessary. Irrelevant education is... irrelevant.

    I agree that the summary could use a bit of tightening and pepping... fine tuning, though, not dramatic changes.
     
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    I'm not sure... if you're joking? I assume so, I guess...
     
  10. mrieder79

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    Thanks for the replies. They have been very helpful. Please keep the feedback coming. Did the query work for you? What did you like, what flopped?
     
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    Instead of narrating ABOUT Richard, consider writing it AS Richard sees and hears, at least in the first paragraph. That brings the reader into the scene, not at a distant "hover viewpoint". For example:

    Richard Ford, his heart thudding, punched the playback button. Again, only screams and static issued from the speaker, followed by an even more disturbing silence. One by one, the Southern Belle's deck cams winked out.

    What has happened? The geological survey mission of the Southern Belle is critical to struggling Gulfco's survival...
    There's plenty of time in the story proper to explain Richard's role in the company, and I'd even leave more mystery about the nature of the threat in the subsequent paragraphs. I'd even leave out any reference to the Brazos Formation itself. The title is tantalizing enough.
     
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    Cogito, that is very good advice. Thank you.
     
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    Just posted updated version. See OP.
     
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    I really like the emotion here, and it gives me a connection with Richard. I would change "blood turns to ice" because it's in cliché territory. I would also remove "worse," because I think most people would say the death of his friends is worse than Richard losing his job. :D

    Very nice. Minor nitpick, but the first sentence makes me think of him as a determined go-getter, and then "cobbles together" kind of contradicts that. Decisive, active protagonists are good, so maybe use a stronger description (even if he does actually cobble it together in the manuscript).

    I find this part less effective because you've been so vague about these "denizens." I can't picture them and I can't feel any fear for Richard and his crew because I don't know what the creatures can do. The other issue is that Richard falls into the chasm, and then somehow he's out of the chasm and has to save his crew.

    Maybe build up the suspense of the chasm more, hinting at the horrors inside, and then end with Richard falling into it and having to get out?
     
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    Thanks Tenderizer. Really appreciate the feedback.
     
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    Okay, having read the previous critiques, I'll concur with the too long, needs the other elements of a query letter appended, and needs a bit of sizzle. So, my comments will include some deletions, rewordings, etc. I'll do it on top of your text, putting the inserts in red.

    Richard Ford’s blood turns to ice when he receives Southern Belle’s final transmission: a A garbled rush of screams, and static, then cold, dead silence from the Southern Bell terrifies Richard Ford. Those are his friends out there. Worse, w His employees are dead, and without the geological survey data locked in the doomed ship’s lab, his company, Gulco Oil will go is going under. , taking Rich’s career and thousands of his employee’s jobs with it.


    Rich isn’t the quitting type, though. He cobbles together a salvage mission and finds the sunken ship off the Texas coast in two thousand feet of water. It’s covered in bizarre markings nobody can identify, and beside the wreck lies a mysterious, uncharted chasm.


    When the sun goes down, ghostly lights, strange sounds, and sightings of hunched, inhuman shapes terrify the crew. Later that night, Rich’s divemaster is attacked while trying to access Southern Belle’s lab. He falls into the chasm, drawing the attention of its inhabitants. They emerge, find Rich’s expedition, and begin to feed.


    Within hours, the ships are sinking, his crew is dying, and Rich must find a way to save them from the denizens of the Brazos formation.
     
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    Just posted updated version as of 2/5
     
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    I'm terrible at writing blurbs, so I appreciate seeing how effectively it can be done. This is good. Sometimes it's as simple as asking a simple question (with a question mark) that changes the tone and makes it more personal. I'd certainly keep reading.
     
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    Personally I rather like it, except I do agree with @Tenderiser regarding "it gets worse" - I read that bit twice because I was like, "Really, losing your job is worse than having all your friends die?" I know that's more of a subjective take, because all you mean is "as if that wasn't bad enough, this is the straw that breaks the camel's back" sentiment. I did get that, but it made me do a double take. Not sure if it's worth the risk, but your call.

    My main objection to it is that it sounds like every other horror movie I've heard of out there. There's nothing setting your story apart from the rest of them. In this sense, I'm wondering if there are ways of spicing it up. For example, is there some interesting link between Richard and the Brazos that could heighten the stakes? Sure, your main stake is death, as with most horror - but certainly there are things more terrifying than death, right?

    I can't give you concrete advice without knowing the story, of course, but I'd really try and find something that links Richard and the Brazos. Strengthen it so it's more than a "wrong place, wrong time" scenario that sounds like it's all by chance. Devote a line to setting up why we should fear the Brazos apart from the fact that they eat people. Sharks also eat people. Why not write about sharks? No, Brazos are something else - they're terrifying beyond your wildest dreams and I want to know why. Just one or two adjectives will do, no need for a whole line.

    To give an example, in my own query, I used the line, "an eyeless, mouthless king" - I've used this line in the novel and I like it because it gives a bit of a creepy image. There's no further description of him in the query, but I think it's good enough. (Time will tell if I get any responses, of course) But perhaps you can do something similar for your Brazos. Because "enormous, predatory" are not effective adjectives when you need it really convey their terror and power. Sharks are also enormous and predatory. Show me why the Brazos are far, far worse.

    And a final nitpick - why do you tell us about the strange markings on the side of the sunken ship? It's never mentioned again. The initial static, sudden attack and chasm are enough for atmosphere. Don't waste words, or bring the markings back - are they important? Why?

    ETA: your thread title says this is Sci-Fi. In what way is this sci-fi? I'm not seeing it. I see typical Horror. If this is sci-fi and not horror, then I think you need to completely rewrite this query because it's selling something else.
     
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    I think this is really good. I would certainly want to read the manuscript and I'm into nitpicking territory.

    I find the construction of the first sentence weird. Maybe "The last transmission from The Southern Belle leaves Richard Ford reeling. Screams, static, then cold dead silence--and it's his friends on that ship." ?

    I still had a big ol' raised eyebrow at "it gets worse [than all his friends dying]," and the last line felt a bit flat. What about something punchier like, "Now Richard is the only one that can save the crew and get them the hell out of there."
     
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    Thank you. The suggestions are well received and very helpful. Any other critiques are, of course, welcome.
     
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    Updated version, current as of 2/17/19. I've made some significant changes.
     
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    The idea of an underwater creature "shrieking" doesn't sit well with me.

    Horror isn't my thing, and I wouldn't probably pick this book up. But I'm not your audience.
     
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    That is a good point, JD, and I appreciate the perspective.

    I would like to hear if anyone else finds the idea of aquatic creatures shreiking off-putting.
     

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