too many vampires

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  1. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

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    We will look back on this time, years from now, and hang our heads. :( We will give it a name like, "The Time of Darkness," or something equally nerdy. :rolleyes:
     
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    Maybe just "The Incident".

    Fans will be known as "The Lost Souls".
     
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    Point taken, BIG point taken!
     
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    I somewhat disagree. Twilight totally hit all of the romance-fantasy buttons. There have been other vampire/werewolf books before this one, lots of romance books before this one, but the way Twilight was told was very addicting. The story moved along quickly, and always with conflict in each chapter, along with the romance.
     
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    True. I never said it was good. I made a little quip about it's "quality" intending to mean a lack there of.

    Very true. Half the scifi section at my local Borders is Star Wars Expanded Universe, Warhammer 40K, D&D novels. Lots of stuff for table top games. R.A. Salvatore has his own book case to himself!

    The Halo books are actually pretty good (minus The Flood. If I wanted that story, I'd play the game. Oh wait, I did...). The Fall of Reach is probably one of the best expansions any game has ever had. It answered every question fans wanted to know about the Spartan-II project and then some.

    I think that's the "magic" as I've called it, that made those books successful. As horribly written as the story is, the pacing worked, and she certainly knew the buttons to push. A horrible book it is but it definitely hit the buttons any teenage girl (and some teenage boys) wanted. it's a shame the rest of us must suffer the consequences XD.
     
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    I like Twilight, too. Not the movie so much, but despite the flaws in the writing, I enjoy the stories (and the history with the characters, too). I didn't like Jacob, though...

    I think that vampire/werewolf stories are a popular choice because people read stories like that and then want to try to find their own take on the same subject...some people just need to try a little harder to come up with a more original spin on the same old story.
     
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    I read the whole article and was so repulsed by the sheer haughty, snide, bitter and jealous tone of the author that I had a hard time wanting to agree with anything she said, no matter how true it may be. That attitude: *shivers with repulsion*.

    And Eragon may have had some editing issues, but come on! It was still a great story. It's lame to put a publishing company and an author down because of his age!
     
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    Never bagged his gae. Was just wondering how much he did ;)

    I liked the seond book....the first one was...nevermind (he got better is what im saying).
     
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    I agree that the trendy fantasy stories can be a little overwhelming. But, I usually don't have a problem with 'fun reads'. It is the trendy part that gets me. It just irritates me when people who read them think they have read the bible or something. Sometimes I want a lite read, but I also seek out literature that pushes me further.
     
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    Which is YOUR opinion.

    But yeah, i do agree somewhat.
     
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    It's not really an opinion at all. Some things are just too obvious for anyone to really argue against them. I think Paolini said in an interview that Lord of the Rings is a big influence for him. You really can't argue any way that Eragon isn't Star Wars via Lord of the Rings. It's just so back breakingly obvious. I had little to learn from the story because I've already seen it (and it's not so good but not bad prequel).

    The problems are a bit more than editing errors. The writing is truly horrid. Sad as it is to say, Meyer and her Twilight Saga, are more well written than Inheritance. He describes every little detail of everything (poorly i might add) and has a tendency to repeat already stated information four or five times over the course of just a few chapters. Some times his descriptions drag on for four or even five pages, and the characters are just incredibly flat and boring (not to mention extremely predictable). EDIT: I do admit he has gotten better but the primary flaws in his writing and the story line are still there no matter how much he improves his delivery.
     
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    Well i liked the second book and i thoight it was an improvment for a young writer (like anyone his age s really going to pump anything out thayts better these days), and that is opinion.
     
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    I'll admit. the whole story could have been done in a 10th of the size.

    I should also note, i never read the last book. That should say something..
     
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    I don't think it is. Brisingr I think is actually many steps back for Paolini. His tendency to over describe everything went to a new level. The pages on that book are huge and the book is long. Guess what takes up about a third of the whole thing? His attempt to portray some darker aspects of the story line came off to me as childish and immature (really childish and immature). At least that's what I think he was trying to do and thats how it came off to me. Sort of like he didn't think what these things actually felt like to anyone at all and instead just made it up as he went. Plus, its probably the most Star Wars-ish of the series. The story line I think has also been discomboulated by his attempt to tell readers "this isn't star wars" while transposing the star wars story into Tolkeinese at the same time.
     
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    Oh crap thats right, he never finsihed the series did he. There is a 4th book.

    Far out, i just remembered that too.
     
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    Totally brilliant!!!! :D
     
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    In my honest opinion the problem with modern-day vampyre fiction is that they keep fudging up the mythologies that made the character popular in the first place. Vampyres never sparkled in the sunlight, nor are they heroes in any way. Vampyres are the stalkers of the night that suck the blood from virgin women's necks as they lay in bed. Vampyres can be romantic, but only in a perverse fashion. No respectable woman could ever truly fall in love with a vampyre, unless maybe she was under hypnosis by one.

    Just my thoughts anyways...
     
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    100% agreement. Vampires have been made over into soft-porn superheroes.
     
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    Too many vampires!


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    One vampire, two vampires, three vampires... :p
     
  21. captain gonzo

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    As far as vampires go the only one worth reading about is dracula (or alucard in his hellsing form where he is still interesting).

    Twilight destroyed this genre for the meantime and its got very old very fast anyway. Teenage girls and such. Try actually making the vampires evil again and we'll have some sort of talk.
     
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    -stares at her second main character of her novel, Dimitri, a vampire, and hangs head in shame-

    I'm doomed. Doomed doomed doomed.
    Ah well, at least I have... -counts off- five evil ones to counter the one semi-good one. And trust me, they're not as cheesy as Meyer's 'evil' vamps.

    Jane: Ooooh, I'm evil. Watch me smile and cause you pain for kicks and giggles.
    Edward: Ah! I'm burning with pain because she's looking at me! Ahhhhhh...




    XD



    Oh, and for the record, just because Paolini published his stuff when he wasn't ready at whatever little age he was, doesn't mean there aren't some at that age who can write.
    I read his book, and liked the first.
    Until I remembered... I read that book back in 8th grade. That's 5 years ago, ladies and gents.
    I'd probably die now trying to do so. Or at the very least lose some IQ points.
     
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    Inhertance is derivitve personified and plays like Star Wars reenacted by the cast of Lord of the Rings - Hey Chris George Lucas and Ron Howard did this way better with ‘Willow’.
     
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    Not to mention the fact that Willow was created by the same person, so he's hardly coying anyone's work. There is taking familiar a story and making it your own, which does take skill. People were doing it for hundreds of years before they ever started publishing books. That is not what Paolini did. His books read not like he was inspired by them, but like he is trying to be his favourite writers and filmmakers.
     
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    Hey now! These books perform a valuable service! If not for them, people of discerning and discriminating taste would have nothing to measure quality by and therefore not be able to hold their own opinion in much higher esteem than they hold others.

    Wait.... :/

    (For the record, I've never read Meyer's or Paolini's books - a situation I don't intend to rectify. But I do have a vampire in one of my stories. Further to that, trends mean nothing to me one way or the other - I have no use or time for dismissing something that I might actually enjoy based on a pre-concieved bias :p).
     
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