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  1. samgallenberger

    samgallenberger Member

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    Villain Death

    Discussion in 'Plot Development' started by samgallenberger, Feb 7, 2018.

    Working on one of my stories and having some trouble sticking the landing here at the end. Basically this villain has tortured the MC both physically and mentally throughout the story by putting him through horrific challenges (think kind of like Saw but less gore porn). MC finally has the advantage over the villain. The villain doing all of these things to my MC has changed him going forward. He'll be a much darker individual now. I want it to kind of center around that. However, I cannot let the MC kill him because he hasn't crossed that line yet and I have plans for when he will. I want the ending to seem like although he died, the villain won.

    I currently have one thought out but I'm not really sold on it. He taunts the MC about not being able to save his fiancé. The killer was right in front of him and he let him get away. Then later on the killer dies in front of the MC before he could exact any revenge. My villain says the same will happen here and proceeds to jump off a building and laughing to his death.

    Would appreciate thoughts and ideas.
     
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    Recalculating...
    This is called self-sacrifice. It could work but this doesn't mean it will work. Self-sacrifice is rarely depicted from the villains part of the story for various reasons. Committing suicide in order to achieve one's purpose means that:

    a) The villain was cornered. He absolutely couldn't think of another way to achieve whatever it is he wanted to achieve and as a last minute resort he took his life.
    b) His cause was larger than life.

    What is your villains' motive? If it's a grudge - which I suspect it to be - rarely would one plan out a horrendous revenge by torturing for days someone just to jump to their deaths laughing in the end as part of the revenge. It doesn't make much sense.
     
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    Seven?
     
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    This is... really similar to the ending of season 2 of Sherlock. That's all I can think of, lol. In that case, I think it worked, more or less (not how I would have chosen to end things but hey), because (a) the villain was a complete loon who did weird and shocking things all the time, and (b) he'd already accomplished his objective and had all the game pieces where he needed them to go.

    My rule is you can get away with anything if you foreshadow it well enough. So, you could try sprinkling some hints throughout the story that would make the villain's actions believable. Why is he the kind of person who would jump off a building to his death laughing?
     
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    That's odd as I've never seen Sherlock haha. I think both A and B apply to my character. My thing is I think I've written myself into a corner. I have this villain who must die because he's too heinous to keep around and his purpose has been fulfilled. This villain's purpose has been fulfilled because "he's won" and changed the MC going forward forever. The MC can't kill the villain himself because that's been saved for a different moment. I just can't think of a way to kill this guy off given the situation I've forced myself into.
     
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    It's not so much a grudge as he's not going to allow the hero to get his revenge. Like I just said to the other fellow who offered advice I believe I've written myself into a corner. I think there could be a better way for the villain to die.
     
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    Your plot is really similar to the movie "SE7EN", where a killer attempts to manipulate the main character into shooting him out of revenge for killing the main character's wife (the killer was killing victims in ways emulated the seven deadly sins, the killer wanted the main character to be "wrath" by getting the main character to kill him out of anger), which is why they brought up the film as an example of a deranged killer with a plan that involves their death at the end.

    I think having your villain kill himself is entirely fine. A lot of planned mass-homicides or murder sprees end with the killer(s) taking their own lives at the end, either to prevent themselves from being captured or because they simply planned all along to kill themselves at the end (and also to avoid being captured).
     
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    Recalculating...
    Can you describe the villain a bit? What's his motive? His trauma? His philosophy? Anything actually about him and his dynamic with the hero. What do you mean when you say that the MC can't kill the villain himself because that's been saved for a different moment? A very brief summary of your story would help in order to understand why you feel as if you've pushed yourself into a corner.
     
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    Oh, I've never seen that either but it's been on my list to watch for some time now.
     
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    His motive is to ruin my MC. Not out of revenge but because he wants to find the MC's breaking point. He's done this with other vigilantes in the past but they eventually all died out. He's much older now and this new vigilante being around excites him. He's always gotten enjoyment out of corrupting the incorruptible. He has no personal attachment to the MC at all.

    I'm doing four solo books for this MC. I want each book to push him further down a path of becoming everything he hates (which will mirror the arc of childhood hero). He will eventually go on the path of redemption but not in these four books. This story is the second. In the fourth book, he will finally break and murder someone in cold blood. That will complete his downfall. Each book should see him gradually get closer and closer to this but I don't want him going all the way until that last one.

    The story is basically this: After the first book, this city has it's first vigilante in decades. News spreads and makes way to a villain who has been rotting for years out of sheer boredom. This new vigilante gives him purpose again. He manipulates things to walk the vigilante right into his trap. There he will torture the hell out of MC putting him through horrific challenges. With help from others and luck the MC will pass each challenge and meet the villain face to face. Despite being broken mentally and physically he'll still have the advantage as the villain is an old man at this point. In a one on one fight it'd be no challenge.
     
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    Normal people depend on food, water, and oxygen.

    Psychopaths depend on manipulation, domination, and control.

    It's very common for psychopaths to commit suicide after being arrested – or to force suicide-by-cop before getting arrested – because the feeling of being in absolute control of the situation is more important to them than even their own life.

    Does this sound like your villain?
     
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