Why are the women usually the victims in horror?

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  1. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

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    I didn't call them crazy. You did.
     
  2. Cacian

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    crazy is a word you used to describe what I said.
    Please don't make things on my behalf otherwise you will start to sound crazy yourself.
    As I said if you do not like what I say go and find something else do like learn not accuse people of things they have not said.
    Your definintion is crazy is your own making not mine.
    learn to converse properly.
     
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    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

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    Calling someone mental is the same thing as calling them crazy.
     
  4. Ixloriana

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    I believe that Cacian meant that cross-dressers think they are mentally women. Not that they're mental. (Which is slang for crazy, Cacian. Remember to keep an eye on your grammar.)

    It's not true that most cross-dressers are gay or transsexual. Also, most cross-dressers are not drag queens. (Though I imagine there are a fair few of those in LA.) Most of them are heterosexual men who like to dress in women's clothing, though for some of them it is a private thing, not something they do in public. It's not about sexuality, it's because they like to wear women's clothes. I think it's a case of the loud minority here -- most of the cross-dressers we hear about are drag queens. The truth is, the percentage of men who dress in women's clothes is not that different whether they're gay or heterosexual. Whether you want to even call it cross-dressing for transsexuals (who actually think of themselves as women) is up to you.


    On topic: Women are usually the victims in horror because a woman is seen as more vulnerable, and the death of a woman is supposed to have more emotional impact than the death of a man. There's some truth to this -- in real life, most killers are men, and most victims are women. There are a whole lot of reasons for this but I'm not going to get into it. Criminology (and psychology in general) is fascinating. :D
     
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    Hi

    Returning to the topic, I think that there are three reasons for women usually being the victims in horror movies.

    The first is of course that the audience for these movies is usually young males. And not wanting to be disparaging of them (I was one myself once), they want to see pretty half naked (or completely naked) women. So if you want to sell your movie to this crowd you'll stock it with these characters.

    Second, someone mentioned sympathy / protectionist pov's and this is an absolute.The point of a horror movie for most viewers (I assume) is to want to root for the protagonist, or in this case, the victim. If you're rooting for the axe murderer I would suggest that there is something disturbing about you and I won't be inviting you over for egg nog! Now the important thing about victims is that they must be people we want to save. Pretty young blond women we males want to save. Igor with the hunchback if he was out in the woods with an axe murderer, I'm not so sure we' really care so much about if he got slashed. We'd probably change channels.

    Lastly, realism and yes I know we're talking about horror movies. But there is still an underlying stereotypical realism that we find comforting even in these movies. And its simply that women are weak and defenceless, men are strong and able to swing a sword or whatever. Yes it's sexist, but it's also a part of our psyche. It's also born out in real life. Most victims of violent crime are female. Most perpetrators of violent crime are male.

    So lets look at the alternative movie. A bunch of somewhat plain faced college kids, all male, all big and strong, are out camping in the woods with an axe murderer. You could have all sorts of lovely scenes in it, like the boys huddling round their campfire talking about how scared they are. And of course while they're running away from the big bad with the axe, one of them could twist his ankle and fall, while the others would somehow be losing their clothes as they run through the woods screaming.

    The question is, would you buy tickets to that movie?
     
  6. Cacian

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    Oops...apologies are due.
    sorry...my fault... I got it confused.
     
  7. ThinkingCliché

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    This kind of thing doesn't just happen in Horror Movies. In a lot of 20th century movies or TV series like Macgyver or even the Brady Bunch you'll see that the women involved are quite stereotyped.
    You'll notice that in some more recent films it happens less.
    Although I haven't watched a really newly released horror movie so I may be completely wrong.
     
  8. iabanon

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    Why are women usually the victims in horror stories? Because a) they are written by men. and b) in reality most victims of violence are women.
    ...and c) most cross dressers are NOT gay.
     
  9. Cacian

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    Thank you.
    To the original post I was thinking the reason why most women are victims is because most film directors are men.
    It is about time women steppped up to the mark and did a bit of filming or a couple say or even a group of mixed people (straight/crossedresser/gay/) got together and made a film to challenge these stereotypes.
    The problem is none of us challenge it and most of us are happy to buy it and watch it.
     
  10. Prophetsnake

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    Gay people in entertainment? Unheard of. Are you MAD?
     
  11. Cacian

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    MAD?
    How is that?
    A melting pot of people.
    There is a lot of fun in that.
    If we can have porn directors why can't we have gay directors/films/anything goes?!
     
  12. Prophetsnake

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    Unthinkable! It would never work.
     
  13. Cacian

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    Haha....unthinkable is it?
    Ok.
    Give me one good reason why it would not.
    or
    Two good reasons why it might work.
     
  14. Prophetsnake

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    Well it's obvious. It is unthinkable that homosexuality be allowed to infiltrate Hollywood. God, if they get a toe hold there, what next? The stage? Fashion? There will be no stopping them!
     
  15. Cacian

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    wow...this is like a dreamcome true.
    I think 'homsexuality' is just a label and very bad one.
    These 'homsexuals' are humans first and foremost.
    I do not see howanyone sexuality, which is Private, has anything to do with anyone's performances.
    I think the problem and the danger with something like Hollywood is that it keeps propagating the idea/a profile that a couple/love is only between a man and a woman.
    This is ignorance and affect people's beahviour and the way they look at the world and at themselves.
    I have no problems with films of anykind but if one is going to insists that love is based on looks money and two people then let it be all people or nothing.
    Our Television/Newspapers/Media makes it so that it is one dimentional when real life is not anyhting like that.
    Modern thinking is forward thinking and including everybody is what it is all about.
    I mean the only your hear of 'gay' is when it is a scandal,name calling of so and so coming out or been seen somwhere in a gay bar..it reeks with dated ideologies and it is very ignorant and demeening to anyone.
    I was once driving down this road in central london and the road was called Gay Free road I could not believe it and yet people do not seem to be aware of it all.
     
  16. Prophetsnake

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    Funny, i never hear of anyone coming out or being out. Don't care.


    so youwant to changbe the slang name for homosexuality?
     
  17. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

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    haha...I just want to stop using to refer to anyone.
    Plus you get people changing their minds all the time about their sexuality.
    sometimes someone could be straight then the next they are not.
    So saying straight/gay/homosexual can be misleading.
    It is best to say nothing and let people be who they want.
    For example
    does it bother that you get aske your sexuality in forms and questionnaires.
    I usually skip it and don't answer on principle.
    I do not understand how anyone's sexualtiy has nothing to do with anything.
     
  18. Prophetsnake

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    I don't get asked about my sexuality on forms or questionnaires.

    And believe me, whatever you are I really don't care.
     
  19. Cacian

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    Yes you are right.
    I believe you and so it should be.
    Coucil forms tend to have boxes to tick about you origin/race/sexuality amongst others.
     
  20. Prophetsnake

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    How quaint.
     
  21. Cacian

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    Isn't it just.:D
    Another word I find jolly is queen.
    I cannot make head or tail of it because it means the Queen then it means drama queen then it means Queen the band..I can go on..
    It is rather queeny beeny if you ask me.
     
  22. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

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    Haha,

    icwhatudidthere.
     
  23. Prophetsnake

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    Well someone has to hold the line or they will be everywhere!
     
  24. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

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    Imagine if they would have passed the line years ago! The world we would know today would be madness! Pure unthinkable madness!
     
  25. Prophetsnake

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    Well, exactly. What next? hairdressers? flight attendants?
     

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