1. Bobby Burrows

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    Without Prejudiced A Comedy Alt. Reality Setting Where Humanity Hasn't Got Prejudices

    Discussion in 'Setting Development' started by Bobby Burrows, Nov 21, 2018.

    Humanity but with one difference; there's no such thing as prejudiced.

    IDK, 100 year old jet pilots.
    Friendly neighbours regardless of race or creed
    Snobs and hobos being friends
    Cats and dogs getting a long (kidding),.
    People of all sexuality just being.
    • Would there be war?
    • Write a quick history?
    • Have a narrator to start it?
    Would it be funny to invent racism?
    Just for LOLs, or, aren't we there yet?

    It'll be 2018, but without none of the racism or nothing like that.

    Would be nice to at least show humanity this idea, so, I could try and write it and hopefully show how meaningless prejudices can be?
    Somehow use this as a tool to show people getting a long and to show people how dumb hatred can be?
    At least SHOW humanity getting a long and entertain on that premise.
     
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    So what's the story in Balamory?

    It's a bunch of ideas but where's the story?

    If you want to shove an Aesop down the throats of your readers that's about as old as, well, Aesop, you should at least be prepared to entertain them with a compelling story. If you don't have that you have nothing.

    And for the record, 100 year-old jet pilots aren't a thing because people tend to be quite fragile at that age, with varying degrees of mental acuity and dexterity. Watch an elderly person walk across the street some time and take note of how difficult it is for them to do something you take for granted. Now imagine that same person behind the column of a machine that costs the American taxpayer a million dollars just for one hour of flight. Do you like the Boston skyline, because you can kiss the Prudential Tower goodbye on the Fourth of July.
     
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    One problem with this is that humanity is almost...
    ...sort of based on prejudices.

    Humans are tribal creatures--we like small groups, and being in communities, and banding together to fight people outside our groups. Prejudice isn't something we just created for funsies, it's a survival mechanism, a distrust of things we don't know or understand because those things have, throughout history, literally killed us. It's part of our biology, it's as big a part of us as love, and togetherness. You can't have a community unless there are people outside of that community.

    Additionally, a story, almost by necessity, has to have some conflict in it--a struggle to overcome, to rise above, whatever the adversary may be. Why not a story about humanity overcoming their prejudices rather than not having any in the first place? How about a story where hard work and determination result in a better world not just for the protagonist, but for everyone he knows and cares about? For the whole world even?
     
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    IMO, you need some conflict in that story, what whould it be if all is perfect?
     
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    Ricky Gervais' The Invention of Lying has a similarly farfetched initial setup, but then he shows how it can all go wrong.
     
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    I dunno, I think human character versus the social ideal has potential for lots of conflict. Not to mention the ability to showcase some of humanity's darker traits that rarely get airtime because they're constantly getting drowned out by things like inequality. Maybe have a pseudo-McCarthyist state where, instead of Communism, people's lives are ruined merely on the accusation of being prejudiced without any proof.
     
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    Honestly, in a world without prejudice, there probably wouldn't be most of the things we have today. Hell, people wouldn't exist. Taking this to the greatest extreme, without some form of prejudice, we wouldn't have discriminated against predators in our early years, and probably would've been hunted to extinction. You can say that doesn't count, seeing as that's about an animal, but the neural processes are the same in both cases. Also, we most likely wouldn't have wiped out the other homo species (Neanderthal, Homo Erectus), which would mean they might've bred more with the human population.
     
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    You can read some articles about generalization and overfitting in deep learning to understand why prejudice exists. Generalize too much, and unrelated things are lumped together so that the robot can only understand the most primitive concepts because of prejudice. The opposite is to overfit on previously seen data, and your robot becomes superstitious to find nonsense patterns without any logical explanations.

    We all collect statistics from people we meet while trying to keep an open mind, but if you by random or selective bias only meet bad people from a certain group, your higher intelligence wanting a logical explanation is pushed against the primitive brain's will to draw early conclusions just to be safe.

    I try not to judge people from SkellefteƄ, but everyone I know from that city has been a bully who talks trash about city people or randomly attacks someone, so it's hard not to be suspicious when I meet another person from there, because there might be a logical connection.
     
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    Let's write a black neighbor and a white neighbor just being neighbors.
    Make it funny by how raceless it is, somehow.
    Maybe have them be really racist to each other, but since there's no prejudiced, they're both doing it without offending the other.
    And they're happily working together on something in one of their gardens.


    That might be funny.

    I want a comedy, has to be funny.

    Has to somehow point out how stupid prejudices are (otherwise, what's the point)?
     
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    It'll have to be attacking everybody without prejudiced and it'll have to be an alt. reality where there aren't any prejudices, so we'd show the world / humanity getting along without prejudices, but with a focus point of the characters not being offended because of the alt. reality setting?

    IDK.

    Might be a whole manner of things.

    From a snob and a hobo being friends and hanging out and neither hating the other, so after they met up, they both go home, the snob, back to their mansion, the hobo, back to skid row, and they're all happy saying
    "See you later!"
    "Get home safe!"
    "I'll see you next week same time (insert name here)'"
    "bye!"


    That could be considered funny because you never see it happen, just two people wanting to see each other/be friends despite different worlds, and having them both care for each other as friends, IDK, seems rare, IDK, but, make a sketch of a hobo and snob BFFs (best friends forever) wishing one another goodnight with affection..
    That could be funny in Without Prejudiced.
    ?
    Perhaps.
     
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    Watch the evolution of the Viking/Arab relationship in The Thirteenth Warrior or the way the Marines get along in the second half of Full Metal Jacket for that.
     
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    The hobo story could become something interesting if surrounded by prejudice, but when there's no prejudice against lower classes in the whole society, the system erodes until you have Finland with high quality public education and no social borders.
     
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    I'm thinking of watching SNL and South Park.

    The Invention of the Lying (2009) is close to the sort of setting I want.
    I want it to be an alt. realty.

    But I also want it to be funny, hence, black neighbor white neighbor being racist but it not mattering?
    And seeing how far that can go?
    IDK, two polar extreme opposites happily getting along with that alt. reality premise.

    I want to show it, and show it not mattering, in the hope to say that prejudices are stupid, but I also want to have fun with it, write stuff happening that you don't see happen because of prejudice, idk.
     
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    You can read the old Mayan stories about Mayor Rabbit for inspiration, because they break down prejudice quite a lot using an innocent looking rabbit as the main character and villain.
     
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    Iain Aschendale Lying, dog-faced pony Marine Supporter Contributor

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    He said comedy, not horror :D
     
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    Can't it be both?

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    It can, but those damn Tarantino/Rodriguez fanwanks are neither IMO. Tucker and Dale, The Cabin in the Woods, some of the late-stage Freddie or Jason films fit the bill though.
     

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