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    Link the Writer Flipping Out For A Good Story. Contributor

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    Would You Define Caulifla as a Mary-Sue?

    Discussion in 'General Writing' started by Link the Writer, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:22 PM.

    (Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the Character Development. I know this doesn't pertain to my own writing, but it does involve writing)

    OK, this requires a hell of a lot of background information.

    In short, Caulifla is a character from Dragonball Super. This is her.
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    She's a Saiyan from another universe and lately in the Dragonball fandom, she's gotten a lot of flak and is being accused of being a 'Mary-Sue'. Why?

    Well, back in Dragonball Z, the ability to transform into Super Saiyans and beyond (such as what you see here) was toted as something mythical, something that required years of training and a burst of emotional rage (such as when Krillin was killed by Frieza in the Namek arc) Yet in the span of a few episodes, Caulifla and her fellow Saiyans (Kale and Cabba) have, as far as some are concerned, diluted something that was so special to a mere "tingly feeling in your back". Not only that, but Caulifla is suddenly able to achieve Super Saiyan Grade 2 (which is what she is in the photo) and there are rumors that she's able to achieve Super Saiyan God, something that took Goku and Vegeta years of training, and some of it with the gods, to achieve.

    Nevertheless, some are citing that she's the one destroying Dragonball Super, that if she gets even more powerful, they're leaving the show forever. On my Facebook feed, there was a post that said that if she got stronger, she's officially a Mary-Sue.

    Hence the discussion for this thread.

    Now my understanding of a Mary Sue is someone who is utterly perfect in every way, can get stronger easily to an absurd degree with little to no training or explanation. In some ways, I can see why they'd be right -- there is little to no explanation as to how she's this powerful, but there is one caveat: Caulifla is from another universe; whose to say what works for her and her race is the same as what works for Goku and Vegeta? Plus, if they can accept Goku getting stupidly powerful to an absurd degree, why not Caulifla?

    This thread is just to discuss 'Mary-Sueism' in characters and whether or not she fits into that definition.
     
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    Sigh.... I can't believe I am entering into this thread, but...

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    No, she does not (She's arrogant not a Mary-Sue.)

    A Mary-Sue is someone who 'No matter what you've done in life, they've 'done it before and better than you ever will.' (Even though they are likely a basement dwelling troll.)

    Just consider a Mary-Sue a real life Troll.

    If Caulifia said 'Yeah, I defeated Hit, or and I rule over all Saiyans, or and I was able to turn Super Saiyan by the time I was Five, Oh and everyone who meets me Falls in love with me, Oh and I destroyed more planets than our God of destruction."

    Then She's a Mary-Sue.
     
  3. Link the Writer

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    Thing is, the other characters had to struggle for years and suffer huge emotional turmoil to get to this point. As far as we know, she never had to go through all of that. She just...gets it. That kind of screams 'Mary Sue' in my book.
     
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    I think they all need a little oil and vinegar . . .
     

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