You Gain Omnipotence, How Would You Cope With It?

I like how you just skipped my second paragraph. Plus, Dr Manhattan isn't omnipotent, he's atomic-level powerful but that's about it. Omnipotents like the TOAA tear him apart for breakfast.

 

I honestly have no idea who that is.

Yes, it's almost like I was asking a question. If only there were some squiggly bit of punctuation one could put at the end of a sentence do denote such.

 

Oh, the Overmonitor is the highest being/collective in the DC Multiverse. It's speculated to be the embodiment of the imagination of (real world) humans as giving rise to the existence of everything that is and that happens in the DC comics. I don't believe it's ever given any direct role in any of the comics and is only mentioned once or twice, but I'm not an avid DC reader so I might be mistaken.

 

Since Dr Manhattan's struggle is to find his own humanity to reconnect with the human race after becoming apathetic to them, I thought that's what you were implying and that's exactly what I covered in my reply prior to yours.

 

I'm sorry, I don't follow your line of logic, if you're omnipotent you can do anything you want, that includes taking away your powers, if I decide to create a planet with intelligent species and all that crap and then I decide that I don't want to be omnipotent any more I can do it, that doesn't mean that the planet I just created will cease to exist, it just means that I can't create another one. Also, if an omnipotent being can't make himself omniscient too then he is not omnipotent, he's just really fucking powerful.

In fact, you're contradicting yourself, omnipotence means that you can do anything it doesn't mean that you will live forever... unless you want to, so your entity starts being omnipotent and decides it wants to be eternal too, this are two different things, but you're tying them together as just one "state of being" and blocking the other two states that are usually tied to omnipotence too, these being omniscience and omnipresence, if you're omnipotent being can't be all these four states at the same time because he wants to, then yes, it is a paradox, because he can't do everything.

Also, yes you can get out of this train, just because you're omnipotent doesn't mean that you are also eternal (if I became omnipotent I wouldn't want to be eternal, that sounds boring as fuck), now this can happen in two ways:

- There is an afterlife so you're omnipotent in the afterlife
- There is no afterlife so your body, your mind, and your omnipotence ceases to be, you can do anything if you want, keyword, if you want, if you don't want then it's not going to happen.

No, I would not (again, I would not be eternal, just omnipotent and omniscient), but I'm not the one that brought up the topic, I only said one possibility, you can also not bring them back to life (that is indeed a possibility, just because you can do it doesn't min that you will do it or want to do it), or make it so that you don't have guilt because you brought them back even though they didn't want to.

Yes, you can, you can do everything, when discussing omnipotence and paradoxes one usually goes with the "so, you can create a square circle?" or stuff like that, you know, things that defy logic and or physics as we know it. If an omnipotent entity says "When I clap my hands all my omnipotence will be removed from me and be stored in this pill. This pill will give omnipotence to anyone who consumes it, it will be indestructible and only those with my bloodline will be able to consume it" then that should happen, if it doesn't happen then he is not omnipotent, also, this specific scenario doesn't contradict logic nor does it changes the past, just the present and future, therefore you were omnipotent but opted out of it because you wanted.

You are putting arbitrary restrictions (like being unable to be both omnipotent and omniscient at the same time even though you can be omnipotent and eternal at the same time) to an omnipotent being, thus you're not talking about an omnipotent being, just a powerful god-like entity.

 

Okay.

This is how omnipotence works.

You want to die? You die but you can choose at any time to not to be dead. Your body, mind and your omnipotence ceases to be... until you decide you want them back. Therefore, you were never really dead until the next time you want to be dead. If you can resist deciding to start existing again then you might be "technically dead".

You want to give your powers to someone else? You do that but you can choose at any time to get your powers back, they never truly had your powers because there can only be one omnipotent in the universe.

You want to stop an unstoppable force? You stop it.

You want to move an unmovable object? You move it.

You want to kill yourself at birth? You no longer exist and at the same time you exist because omnipotence is something beyond time or logic.

Anything you do can easily be rescinded on a whim because you will always be omnipotent and there can only be one omnipotent in an universe. I never said you couldn't be omniscient while being omnipotent, I said that omnipotence comes with omniscience. An omnipotent is omniscient and omnipresent because an omnipotent can do whatever the fuck he likes. That is why the very definition of a true omnipotent is a paradox that will never be solved with logic, trying to apply any form of logic or reasoning to it is futile.

I don't know how else to explain to you how omnipotence is the literal definition of not giving a fuck about logic. There is no getting off this train, you're in it forever no matter what you do. It's the ultimate blessing and curse.

 

I'd go find Nimbus and have him remove it. For good. i couldn't handle Omnipotence.

For those who've never heard of him, Nimbus is a character that....well, is basically the Author.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/18943/the-minotaur-paladin/chapter/295340/b2-8-b2-8-w-error

Optional link if you want to read about it in a quick chapter.

 

Funny chapter, I can imagine that pissed off a lot of users on Comicvine. They get very competitive with how powerful their favorite characters are versus other peoples' favorite characters.

But the most powerful being ever created in fiction? Eh, just make them omnipotent, it's impossible to raise the bar beyond that. An omnipotent versus another omnipotent if an exception was made for them existing in the same space and universe would just result in a stalemate no matter what happened.

I've got an omnipotent character in my story, I only used him for a very small part of the overall story simply because there is nothing else to be done with an omnipotent.

 

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If you don't exist how can you wich something?

And now they are the omnipotent not you, again, you are placing restrictions.

Indeed, does that makes the existence of an omnipotent being a paradox? I don't think so, the action that he is performing is a paradox sure, just like I would be performing a paradox just by writing on one side of a sheet of paper "the sentence on the other side is true" and on the other side "the sentence on the other side is false" (the liar paradox), does that makes my existence a paradox in an of itself?

Yeah sure but that's basically an altered version of the grandfather paradox, you don't need omnipotence to do the grandfather paradox, just a time machine.

Only one omnipotent being in the universe? That's new but ok.

Then you should put more care into how you word your sentences.

You already did, and I don't need explaining, an omnipotent being can indeed do anything and everything, including irreversibly puffing his body and consciousness out of existence, if he can't do this simple task then you can't call him omnipotent.

Also, I'm not the one that is trying to inject logic in the concept, you're the one that is setting limitations and pre-requisites, you're the one that's deciding what he can and can't do, I'm just saying "he could do this because he can".

Also, I disagree with the line of thinking that an omnipotent is omniscient and omnipresent by default, sure an omnipotent entity would probably decide that it wants to be omniscient but omnipresent? unless this entity wants to fight crime the good ol' fashion way there is no need to be everywhere all the time.

 

That's the whole point of omnipotence, you exist anyway even if you don't. It is the literal definition of defying logic and reality.

Until you decide you want to be omnipotent again.

I still think you should read up on omnipotence. You'll find it interesting and informative.

If you travel in time to kill yourself at birth then you will cease to exist. As an omnipotent, you continue to exist anyway even though by definition you should not exist since there is no you leading up to this very moment.

To have two omnipotents would mean that one of them is not omnipotent anymore.

You're still not getting it.

He can puff himself out of existence and at any time he wishes, he can puff himself back into existence.

Whatever he can do, he can undo.

An omnipotent can do whatever he likes, including being omniscient and omnipresent because omnipotence is the literal definition of being able to do anything that defies logic or reason. If he wants to turn off omniscience he has to only decide he wants to. He wants to turn off omnipresence? Again, he can decide if he wants to. Just like how he can decide to turn it all back on.

That's why the definition of an omnipotent is a paradox, that is exactly what a true omnipotent is and not the sort of omnipotent you see in badly written Marvel/DC comic books or by authors who place restrictions on omnipotents.

You're still under the impression that if an omnipotent wants to stop existing forever, all he has to do is kill himself. You're not understanding that this being is beyond anything and everything, so at any time, he can decide to not be dead. It doesn't matter if you go "b-but he's dead!" Because guess what? The omnipotent guy doesn't give a shit.

 

I think this thread is devolving into what is and what isn't omnipotence and has strayed away from it's original question.

On that note, let me try saying that if you were the super-omnipotent, "can do whatever he likes" being being touted, then coping would be as easy as simply willing yourself to cope with it. Boom. Problem taken care of.

From a story standpoint (and philosophical, imo), it's far more interesting if even an "omnipotent" being would need to exert effort to achieve things. Omnipotence such that you don't even need to think about something to do it is boring. If you have to at least put in the effort of figuring out how to make your whims work (i.e. going inside your own mind and figuring out which parts to tweak to make yourself comfortable with you own omnipotence and what ways to tweak them) then there are still limitations while also mostly holding to the "can do anything" definition, with the caveat that things would still take effort and time ("at least from the omnipotent being's perspective, as they could stop time for everyone else while figuring things out).

 

It would be like whatever I wanted it to be. That in itself is limiting because I've grown up on Earth in the late twentieth century to now. My worldview is limited to that experience, so there are things that I cannot imagine that lie in Earth's future. That could be eliminated by simply bringing into being all of the knowledge that will ever be anywhere in the universe or possibly the multiverse. Then I have another problem, though and that is my brain was never meant to handle that volume of information. I've probably already gone insane, so too late buddy. If I have the forethought to re-construct my neural interface to survive this onslaught then I'm no longer human and I have no idea what such a being would experience, so my analysis has to stop there. A human omnipotence will be short-lived, whatever the outcome. It will either die or go insane by mistake or will evolve to something we have no possibility of understanding in our current form.

A truly omnipotent being would be a boring character for a story. There would have to be some weakness, something that provides the character with an achilles heel. That could be existential, for example, a yearning to experience the afterlife. It could be a physical weakness or a situation where the omnipotence falls away, like where there's a confluence of events that strip away the omnipotence.

In short, no character can be truly omnipotent and be a useful character in a story.

 

Honestly, I think it's better if I just peace out, I'm not going to change your mind and you're definitely not going to change mine, mostly because we don't actually know how an omnipotent entity would behave so, unless such an entity comes down to explain something that we may not fully comprehend all we can do is theorize with basically no wrong answer... in fact, I'm willing to bet that if an omnipotent entity came down to explain it to us the 1st thing it would do would be to tell us how wrong and stupid we both are.... so yeah, it was fun, see ya.

 

Use if for personal gain, cause a guy's gotta eat.