Dea(r)ling critiquers and other hazards

By Lifeline · Jun 3, 2016 · ·
  1. I am back to writing in my blog. This is just my way of coping with the daily challenges as they come on. But that is not what I wanted to tell.

    You know, writing the story of my WIP is not easy. At the start it was both personal and not, because I didn't know actually these people. But, as it is with reality, everything becomes so much worse if you get to know individuals, and don't see them as numbers. When they become your friends and lovers, the connection is strong enough to make you weep. I have fallen for my MCs, and that poses quite a challenge. Not only with regard to believability in writing, but in terms of caring. I care too much.

    The first attempt to tell went overboard, I didn't pay attention to readability of my style. Now that has been remedied, the newest critiquer never had a problem with that. Phew. At least I did one single thing good for him! To hear him tell it, it is the worst story since the start of humankind. So, where do I go from there?

    This is not a trivial question, I have to teach myself to deal better with criticism. I am going to be cynical here, so be prepared!

    So which kind of critiques are going to be in my life?
    1. Kind ones. The ones who just love your writing style and hardly say a word other than praise. They give no advice, just ego polishing. Now I am not arguing that some of that isn't necessary from time to time to just pick myself up from the ground again and again, but it really is not useful.
      I can appreciate such a critique and bask in the warm praise.
    2. The ones who focus on your style and tear it apart. These are the easiest to deal with as I have found. Once I got over heartache that I had to amend my style it was more or less easy to do and adhere to the new regime. I still have to catch myself on and off when falling back into bad patterns, but I just have to edit carefully after. This works.
    3. And then there are the ones who don't care for your story. They rip every single character apart, tell you to start at a different place, want you to rewrite everything to their specification. This class of critiquers is impossible to please. And I will not ever be rid of them, a story can't please everyone. In a sense this type of critique is healthy preparation, because if I ever go out and publish there will be a whole lot of readers pissed off at me. From every quarter, and not all will be ones I can say honestly that I wouldn't care about their opinion.
      Some of these will be the exact ones I am writing my story for. This will be a whole lot worse than just getting random crits and will require guts to deal with. In comparison to what will be coming down then, dealing with these random critiquers should be easy. So my advice to myself here is: Get used to it. Try to look impassionate at every single point they raise and don't think further about it if it doesn't merit a point. And say 'Thank you'. This costs nothing, but is easier said than done.
    And that's really it. There are no other type of critique(r)s out there. All this has been said before in millions of permutations, but this rant has come from me, for myself. Just had to write it off.

Comments

  1. Wreybies
    Oh, I don't know that there aren't any others. I don't think I myself fall into any of these descriptions, and I say this for purely selfish reasons, but not the selfish reasons that might immediately come to mind. I wouldn't engage a story in any of the above modes because none of them would serve me, or help me grow as a writer. When I critique your story (and by your, I mean any person's story), I'm there to work on myself. I'm there to look for the things that were successes and peel them apart to see why they work so well. I'm there to look for the opportunities for improvement, and I peel those apart in like manner to see where they could have gone better because, beyond all shadow of doubt, the missed opportunity in your story has an analogues missed opportunity somewhere in my own.

    I think giving critique should be engaged very selfishly, but it has to be the right kind of selfish.
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  2. Lifeline
    Huh. That was a point I hadn't considered, but I have not come across it in any one of the numerous critiques I have received. I didn't get the impression that this was what these people had thought they were doing. Still being cynical here ;)

    For myself (when I give critique) I will certainly consider and look with fresh eyes now, thank you for this hint :)
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  3. Wreybies
    "I didn't get the impression that this was what these people had thought they were doing."

    Sadly, it's hard a religion to push. I used to proselytize it to any and all that would give me the time, but it just became a losing battle. It requires that one engages the critique process from a direction that seems backwards to most people. Most people assume that you come to places like this to get help. The idea that you should come to a place like this to learn to help yourself doesn't feel intuitive to many. But, think about it: Whose manuscript are you working on, yours or mine? Who are you trying to get published, you or me? Whose voice do you want to have, yours or mine? Whose style? If the idea you bring to the process is to genuinely improve yourself, then your critique will be fair and of value to the person receiving it because the idea wasn't to shred, but to learn.
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  4. Lifeline
    I now kind of feel the need myself to preach, but as you said it seems a hard religion to push. Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with critiques with the intend to shred. If it is stated as such then I can deal with it just fine - in fact I encourage shredding! But only if the one giving the critique states that clearly.

    If it is just a random critique I have no way of knowing the one giving it. And just to clarify, it is not on this site. I wouldn't splatter any of our people with this kind of crap, because we all know each other.
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  5. Oscar Leigh
    I have to agree with you Wrey, an educational "let's keep moving, what do we take from this" approach is very good in critique. It's not just about telling what's wrong or what to do, it's about explaining it. That way they know your reasoning and whether they agree with you or not. Which makes it a lot easier to decide which critique is for you. Because you can actually try to understand their points. And critiquing should definitely be educational for the critiquer too. I've learnt from my own reading of others work here so I attest to it.
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  6. Cave Troll
    This was very informative. This has been a big factor in not wanting to share anything else, because my work seems to attract the harder crowd as well as the nit pickers. Though I will agree you can't please everyone, but they should save their personal bias towards their own works. Mine is no where near perfect, but that doesn't mean poke holes in it just because you wish to be a jerk. That is not to say that I have not gotten realistic criticisms, but they are far and few between.

    Thanks for bringing this topic up. :superagree: But unfortunately it has not changed my views as for allowing others free reign of my works (at least not in the forum proper). I think one should be objective about how they go about giving a critique, and if it annoys them to no end then they ought not be leaving a critique at all. It is far easier to back out of a potential hazard of writing a nasty review of something, than it is to dump a load of negativity on someones hard work. Thanks again for bringing this up. :)
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  7. Oscar Leigh
    Can I critique you Cavey? I'd love to give you feedback? And we have a bond, right? Don't you trust me? :twisted:
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  8. Lifeline
    @Oscar Leigh : "Cavey?" Booooo! Take care that a pissed-off troll will not thumb you on the nose! ;)

    @Cave Troll : As for that attraction, if I look at my readers statistic there is a definite trend there pointing to the exact slice of the population I am aiming for. Which is good, it means that I have gotten my target audience right. But it is also bad, since these people - as I have found - have high expectations and won't excuse mistakes. Which means I have to tidy up my writing :D

    In terms of 'it is easier to back out before leaving a shitload': Of course. Yet I am going to eat what is set before me. I stand by my comments from above, that this is healthy preparation *goes off muttering to myself*
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  9. Oscar Leigh
    I've seen other people use the nickname and live.
  10. Lifeline
    @Wreybies : I took your advice to heart about engaging critique 'selfishly' and its certainly an experience. Where before I only wrote what was off (with a few words of clarification), I now explain my whole reasoning. It forces me to really engage one 'mistake' from start to finish. Thank you for this tip! :)
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