Internal monologue is actually more dialogical or multi-logical

By Xoic · Jun 29, 2021 · ·
  1. I tend to 'correct' people on the board who mention internal dialogue, because at least the way we usually write it, it isn't a dialogue—it's a monologue. Dialogue means 2 people engaged in conversation.

    I've long known that the actual process of inner thought is more like a dialogue than a true monologue, because it tends to be staged as a question and answer session, or sometimes a round table discussion I like to call Imaginal Dialogue (I know, still the wrong term—maybe multilogue would be better) where you imagine several people giving answers to your questions.

    However, when we write the inner voice it's generally done in a monologue form, as if there are no questions being asked consciously and answers floating up intuitively from the unconscious, but just a single line of reasoning or thought.

    Here's a fascinating discussion by 2 really smart guys about it, going into great depth. I haven't watched more than a couple minutes of it yet, I can't give a timestamp for where the relevant part of the discussion cuts off.



    When these guys talk about "Propositional Logic" they seem to mean what I do by Materialism or Reductivist Rationalism, which try to understand everything strictly in terms of the physical.

    Extra bonus points—the shelves over John Vervaeke's left shoulder are filled with books on Stoicism. :cool:

    PS—the specific dialogue about internal dialogue only lasts a minute or 2, but it melds seamlessly and inextricably into one of the most fascinating discussions I've ever heard. It delves into many of my personal favorite subjects, like the necessity of separating creative thought and editing, and what religion actually means, which is completely different from the way modern reductive materialism characterizes it.
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Comments

  1. jim onion
    When Socrates is consulting his inner "daemon", do you think he was trying to represent dialogic thought? Or was this primarily more a demonstration of having a conscience.

    ...Or does the conscience play a role in multilogic thought, and so they're really not that different?
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  2. Xoic
    "When Socrates is consulting his inner "daemon", do you think he was trying to represent dialogic thought? Or was this primarily more a demonstration of having a conscience."
    It seems clear to me his Daemon was his unconscious and/or something in it. Probably what Jung would later name the Self, which in a sense is the entirety of the collective unconscious focused through a particularized figure like a dream figure or an imaginal figure. These figures (Archetypes) are personifications that allow the unconscious to speak and to communicate with us. Jung said that certain people who were important throughout history had reached a high enough stage of development/self-realization that they had fully constellated the Self and could dialogue with it. Those people include Socrates, probably Plato, Nietzsche (though he was severely damaged and apparently became possessed by his unconscious rather than entering into a mature dialogue with it. He thought he had become Dionysus, rather than having a nice conversation with him), and then Jung himself. Goethe was another. They tend to be people who powerfully affect the ideas of their times. A conscience is another name for the unconscious when it tells us if we're doing right or wrong (Socrates' Daemon would respond only in the negative when he was wrong about something).

    "...Or does the conscience play a role in multilogic thought, and so they're really not that different?"
    I think the conscience is what's accessed through imaginal multilogical or dialogical thought, but it can also communicate in other ways, like visions, Freudian slips, obsessions/fixations, dreams etc. All the various ways the unconscious breaks through and tells us we need to rethink something we've become too one-sided about.
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