Go(o)d and (D)Evil, Part 2

By mugen shiyo · Apr 6, 2012 · 627 · 11
  1. I think there has been a universal misconception between "good" and "evil" and the ultimate incarnations of this, which is God and the Devil. In our time humanity has been exposed to both individual and grand scale forms of human wickedness as well as human benevolence. Whenever these things happen they are labeled as extraordinary and we are led to attribute such things to a God or Devil.

    But I believe the important thing is to swat these illusions and pay attention to what you feel. You already know good and evil are a part of you. Not necessarily in those extremes, but rather the impulse or the intention toward a good or an evil action. I believe that there are certain energies you feel because...you feel them. You feel a certain way when you are in love, when you are happy, when you are excited, when you are charmed. You feel another way when you are angry, when you are sad, when you are threatened, abused, made fun of. You feel that sort of feeling coming of the person who is the source of these actions and you feel your own feeling in response to these actions. These are energies that can be felt, that can influence you, and that you can project to influence others. With so many people present in the world, all these energies form currents and streams. They can pool up in certain places or race away in rapids like others. Remember the holocaust? Do you think it's natural for any people to systematically kill people day in and day out outside of actual combat? Even in combat? Behind all these things there is always an overriding force pushing people forward through these hells.

    In my opinion, and to cut to the point, there is no God but us and no devil but us. What we assume is God is merely the universal impulse or intention to do good and what we assume as the devil may be merely the universal impulse or intention to do evil. Neither of these states are permanent, but they can be intense and lasting in certain individuals or when someone with a particular gift and observation is able to observe and manipulate these currents of thought and emotion. I must emphasize, there is no hocus pocus, no magic, no mysticism involved in this. It is as simple as convincing your little brother to stick your little sister with a pin or convincing your little brother to give your little sister a hug. Or maybe one nation to another.

    One can conclude that the thoughts and emotions of man aren't real just as they can claim his imagination isn't real. We can also claim the number zero isn't real. But without zero, mathematics falls apart. Zero has a definite impact on the physical world, and so do our thoughts, emotions, and imaginations. If all things are possible by God, all things are possible by Us and our imagination is the key. But don't be deceived by symbols and graven images, including God and the devil himself. Resist the impulse to resort to the imagination and stick to the elemental and no one can mislead you or your thoughts or your emotions. Because I think it has been by manipulating these that all acts of good and evil are carried out.

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  1. Lemex
    I'm a Nietzscheian. To me there is no such thing as Good or Evil, or an Objective morality. To me all morals are subjective, and can only hinder or block a person if they are preached. I wish to move through conventional, petty morality and become an Ubermench.
    Lemex, Apr 6, 2012
  2. zorbis
    Lemex is very interesting to Lemex. Shiyo; I get you. However, I do not believe life is nearly as complicated as your frantic interpretation. No god, no devil. Religion is mans worst invention. After reading your post I found myself running down the street; and I can't run! Take it slow my friend. Hitler was responsible for 6 million deaths, Stalin is estimated to have killed more. We will really never know why. Sucks when we get no closure. But we never will. I'm there with you, I have my hand up, but no one calls on us.
    zorbis, Apr 7, 2012
  3. art
    I think you read Nietzsche wrong. He is a rather keen preacher, who does not leave morals behind, nor think them wholly subjective. It is just that he rejected many of those morals that seemed central to European culture. He has morals - many rather despicable, degraded ones - and I'm sure would be delighted to hear he has acolytes.
    art, Apr 7, 2012
  4. Lemex
    This is a common reading of Nietzsche, thanks - it seems - to Bertrand Russell, and honestly, closely reading his work tells me otherwise. Calling Nietzsche a preacher is madness. The guy even admitted himself that he was alone in his own thought (From Gay Science: One can only flourish among people who share the identical ideas and the identical will; I have no one – that is my sickness.) and his work was more of a reflection written purely for people with open minds. Why do you think Human, all too Human is subtitled 'A book for free spirits', and his reflections on his own work in Ecce Homo are painfully self-destructive and aware of his own isolation. In short, Nietzsche knew few people where listening to him. So preaching he was not.

    Nietzsche rejected morals deemed central to European culture ... yeah? That was his point. But to say Nietzsche put forward any serious attempt to set up a new stuck-in-stone framework for morality is incorrect. Every academic I've ever met has their own spin on what they think Nietzsche was saying, and how he thought; as does everyone I know who has read him - and I know I'm not alone. His opinion of Altruism is very shady because he doesn't want you to just accept what he is saying. He said 'weakness is pity for the weak' but his Ubermench character Zarathustra helps people, even if it's just teaching people to help themselves. And in the end of Zarathustra his pupils return to their old ideas anyway. The whole point of Nietzsche's work was to encourage independent thinking.

    Something my Philosophy lecturer at University said about Nietzsche has always stuck with me: 'Nietzsche is like a disco-ball. All you see of him is the twinkling lights of interpretation bouncing off and going into darkness; there is a big area inside that is rarely seen'.
    Lemex, Apr 7, 2012
  5. art
    That doesn't address the point.

    You implied that Nietzsche left morals behind, regarded them has wholly subjective.
    He doesn't abandon morals. He is an excitable, bombastic moraliser who merely condemns some virtues and champions others. He does so within that humdrum, common framework of morals that we all recognise.
    art, Apr 7, 2012
  6. Lemex
    Now I appeal to everyone else who can see this conversation. Did I say Nietzsche commented that morals are subjective? No. I said I think that.
    Lemex, Apr 7, 2012
  7. art
    Well, you topped your thoughts with ' I'm a Nietzschean' and tailed them with talk of the Ubermench; and, those thoughts are the sorts of thoughts that many people - mistakenly - think Nietzsche thought.

    So, you might understand my confusion.;)
    art, Apr 7, 2012
  8. Lemex
    Well. I guess. I thought I made it clear though. I used Nietzsche's philosophical frame work to think for myself, and thus I am a Nietzschian, because I use his framework. When you start attaching dogmatic thoughts to Philosophy you deny its purpose. That's one of the reasons why I personally dislike the so-called philosophy of Objectivism.
    Lemex, Apr 7, 2012
  9. art
    Objectivism? That's the Rand nonsense isn't it? I dislike it because it's a philosophy for cunts.:)
    art, Apr 7, 2012
  10. Lemex
    Hahaha! That too. :)
    Lemex, Apr 7, 2012
  11. mugen shiyo
    No, Hitler and Stalin were not responsible for all those deaths. Hilter, Stalin, and ALLLLLLL the people who helped them were responsible for those deaths. They did not do it alone.
    mugen shiyo, Sep 15, 2012
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