Useless Facts

It actually amazes me that a lot of people believe that in ancient times everyone was separated when there are so many portraits and accounts and archaeological evidence that people in fact mingled together and traded and such.



There's even proof that Ancient Kemetites (now known by the Greek name "Egypt") had traveled to America, evidenced by the American tobacco and cocaine found in the tombs. Some scholars support this discovery while others refute it, of course, because archaeologists are always squabbling lol. But I tend to give this evaluation som credence, seeing as there are pyramids of the same dimensions as Egypt in North America (more pyramids are found in the Americas and most of the Africa than the few found in Egypt) and knowing the fact that Africans were considered master seafarers in ancient times. Also, there's the fact that Columbus traveled to America with Moors onboard his ship. I found this excerpt interesting as well from a scholarly article:

With all of this evidence of Muslim exploration before Columbus’s voyage in 1492, is it possible that Columbus himself knew he was not the first? It’s more than likely to be the case. Columbus sailed from Spain in the same year the last Muslim dynasty of Iberia was destroyed in the Reconquista. Many of the people of Iberia were still Muslims, and carried with them the knowledge of the Muslim Golden Ages. Numerous people on Columbus’s voyage were Moriscos, Muslims who were forced to convert to Catholicism or die. Columbus could have heard from Spain’s Muslims of the New World and was thus inspired to go exploring.

Once he got to the Americas, Columbus records numerous examples of Muslims already present. He commented on the gold that the natives had, which was made the same way, in the same alloy, as the Muslims of West Africa did. Furthermore, Columbus records that the native word in that area for gold is guanin, which is very similar to the Mandinka word for gold, ghanin, which probably comes from the Arabic word for wealth, ghina’.

In 1498, Columbus recorded seeing a ship loaded with goods, heading towards America, filled with Africans who were probably on their way to trade with Native Americans. Columbus also records in his journal that Native Americans told him of black Africans who came regularly to trade with them.

Edit: I forgot to also mention that etymologically as well, the word Moor in Latin means 'black'.

 

It's kinda sad that some people could trade peaceably, like Africans with the Native Americans, but Columubus could not. They gave him gifts of gold when he landed, including an entirely gold mask, but he still enslaved and slaughtered them.

 

Latin word for black is 'nigreos' and is the root word for the modern word/s we use for black today.
Latin word for Moor is 'Maurus' , which is derrived from the land they came from, Mauretania,a Berber kingdom

 

You're saying that there were practicing Muslims in the Americas prior to Columbus's voyage?

 

There were practicing every religion bouncing around the Americas at many points in time, many long before Columbus. America has never been as isolated as previously thought.

 

I read that the origin of the word Moor is the Greek word "mavro" which means which literally means "black, blackened, or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very black things. such as "Mavri Thalassa" which refers the the Black Sea. Ancient Greeks used the word to describe the complexion of Africans and soem Greeks still use mavro to refer to black people.

@Friedrich Kugelschreiber I'm saying theres credible evidence that supports that fact, such as Columbus's own records. Have you seen the first sketches and paintings and sculptures of American natives by Spanish explorers, btw? They are highly interesting to me, such as the original Emblem of America.


https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/image/949400001

 

Thank you for agreeing with me lol, I studied this in college and usually have to provide twenty different sources to verify my research when discussing it with others. It makes me feel like I am back in college, lol, but I do actually love talking about my history. ϞϞ(๑⚈ ․̫ ⚈๑)

 

Greek and Latin are different.

 

I’m not opposed to the idea but I’ve never heard anyone make the claim before. Have you got a source?

 

Honest mistake. I meant to say Greek. Sue me, lol. ╮ (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.) ╭

oops, doublechecked my source and it does say Latin and Greek: http://www.taneter.org/moors.html

 

would you mind linking it? I’m intrigued.

 

"Maurus" was synonymous with a "Moor", "Negro", "Aethiops" (black person) in John Etick's A New English-Latin Dictionary in 1783.

In a New English-Latin Dictionary by William Young (1810) "Maurus" is a Black Moor.

I hope that clears things up. A truly useless fact: my middle name is William after my great grandfather. (◕ヘ◕✿)

 

Sure, I gave a quote above but I can find a link. Columbus as well as a plethora of first explorers to the Americas described the majority of natives as looking black and sketched/painted/sculpted them that way. Giovanni de Verrazano described the Carolina Indians as looking like Ethiopians. There are still many black natives today with their own land and culture and recognized officially by the government, the Seminoles for example:

 

There are many tribes still extant in the Carolinas, and none of them look particularly black. Are you positing the existence of an extinct black Indian tribe in the Carolinas? We can see with our eyes what Native Americans look like today, and I can imagine that European conceptions of race in the 15th and 16th centuries were probably different from our own. Many natives had/have quite dark skin, but would it be correct to call them black?

The black part of their descent was not native to the Americas though, if that's what you're arguing.

 

Fo shizzle?

 

Um, they sculpted, sketched, and painted them as dark skinned and having afros and dreadlocks, as well as hair extensions aka weaves. I wasn't really arguing anything, just sharing knowledge that I have studied extensively. Heres some sketches by the first explorers to the Americas, they are eyewitnesses who dress exactly what they saw.



(Above image is from the 1800s)


There is a distinct difference between Native Americans and Indigenous Americans, although they are commonly used interchangeably in the modern lexicon. Native Americans are Paleo Siberian/Mongoloid in descent. Paleoamericans have typical Negroid features and can have very dark skin. (All black people don't have the same skin tone.) This is evidenced not only by the accounts of the first explorers to the Americas, but by the walls of the ancient American temples.




The Olmec heads by the way are called "Negro" by the natives and were called "Niggerheads" when racist white people discovered them.

 

Didn't mean to go on so long about this lol, but when people reply to me I just felt the urge to keep sharing information that I've been researching for a few years.

Useless fact: Some scientists believe octopuses came to Earth from outer space via a meteorite. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )

 

How many of these are from the Carolinas? Anyway, I'm more interested in the presence of Islam in pre-Columbian America.

 

You are probably referring to this https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610718300798

There are good scientists and then there are speculative fiction writers in guise of scientists.

“There’s no question, early biology is fascinating – but I think this, if anything, is counterproductive,” Ken Stedman, an American virologist and professor of biology at Portland State University, told the news website ‘Live Science’. “Many of the claims in this paper are beyond speculative, and not even really looking at the literature.”

Interesting concept for a story though...

 

Prometheus shaped man out of mud, and Athena breathed life into his clay figure.
"BE!", she commanded.
The man looked at her and then at another human.
"Flee!"
"Flee?"
"Go!"
"Where?"
"There!"
"OK"