Hello Senior " big soft moose" has punished me write eighty critiques! for the writers' stories so that I can send my fiction to WF. He believes my previous critiques had not been acceptable because they were short and insufficient. I asked him a few times through PM to forgive me and allow me to write two critiques based on the rules of the WF, but he still is on his promise and doesn't accept my appeals. I ask you to convince him to forgive me this time and cancel his restriction on me. Many thanks
I suggest you start by showing your sincerity. Write 10 detailed critiques to show that you are prepared to do it going forwards. THEN ask moose to reconsider.
Dude don't play the victim - I don't normally do this publicly, but since you've chosen to make it a public discussion you've posted 48 pieces for critique, but you've only given 16 worthwhile critiques ergo you owe the forum another 80 before you get your workshop rights back... you were warned repeatedly about this building critique debt by various moderators but chose to ignore us leaving us with no choice but to implement a workshop create threads ban why should we let you back without you contributing to the community like every other member with posting privileges has ? Its also worth noting that we implemented the ban on posting even more of your work in the workshop, until you stopped taking without giving, over a year ago (october 9 2021) in that time you've posted only four critiques, one of which was Pardon me if i don't think that meets the minimum bar for what constructive critique looks like Lastly you seem to believe that i'm somehow acting against you alone - theses decisions and the rules they are based on are formulated collegially by the team as a whole, and you're not going to get them changed by special pleading . If you want your rights back, i strongly suggest that rather than posting threads like this you put your effort into giving your fellow forum members the sort of help you want to receive. If you make an honest and earnest effort to give a decent number of quality critiques, we might be open to letting you post work again, so long as you then also continue to give back
Also i went back and looked and even if we count all your 'insufficient' critiques, you've only given a total of 43 crits in the last ten years...meaning you'd still owe the forum community 53 worthwhile critiques In case anyone thinks I'm being harsh in describing the majority of these critiques as not constructive, this is a representative sample of what I'm talking about
Senior I didn't claim you did unfairly, but despite your right and tasks about supervising members to observe the rules of the community, I complained that you didn't accept my apologies and request for forgiveness. You could ignore my faults once again, but as far as I remember, you wrote in your last response that you are an adult (not a kid) and should know your responsibility and what to do. Thus you just flagged the rules and made me disappointed with your absolution. I inevitably left the forum for months and supposed you might change your decision over time due to missing me, but it didn't situate. You think I publicized the issue deliberately to show you faulty, but it was not so. What could I do? The only thing that came to my mind was to request the key members to intercede and ask you to take me back active to the forum. During these months, I inevitably left writing and backed to technical modeling, and the only reference I referred to was the McNeel website. I sent some of my works to its gallery. These are two of my works: However, I hope you reconsider my previous fault and remove the restriction or some members make you satisfied with me to remove the blockage. Thank you
Yeah, this isn't about punishment or about forgiveness. I can accept your apology and 'forgive' you for breaking the rules if you want as none of this is personal, but it doesn't change the fact that the rules are still broken If you want to again be allowed to post work here, you need to make an honest and earnest effort to give critique to other members...that's the short and the tall of it I'lll tell you what though in the interests of being fair and reasonable... I'll halve the amount owed, post 40 well thought out and thorough critiques of other members work as a display of good faith, and we'll restore your create thread privileges... i can't say fairer than that. you'll find the guidance on what a constructive critique looks like here https://www.writingforums.org/threads/constructive-critiques.20627/#post-408268... you think that 40 sounds like a lot, but just one a day for 40 days would see it done before xmas
Senior When I was a kid and went to school, I always hated writing and sometimes didn't write my homework and had to make an excuse to the teachers. The habit is with me up to now! 40 critiques are very troublesome to me! Respectfully, neither your word (40) nor mine (2). Let us refer to the mediator, Naomasa298. He offered 10 posts. He was sure you would approve of that. Are you agree with him?
No - this isn't up for debate, you owe the community here 80 worthwhile critiques...i've very generously lowered that figure to 40 for you to complete as a show of good faith you don't want to show good faith, thats fine...but you don't get your create threads rights back until you do
I'm not a "mediator", and I wasn't "offering" you anything. I was making a suggestion, that you show good faith and willingness, and then appeal to moose again. You ignored that, and pressed on. If there was ANY chance that moose would have accepted that show of good faith, you've lost that now.
Also I have to question why if you hate writing so much you want your workshop rights back...since if you can't bring yourself to write some critiques to help out your fellow members, you clearly won't be able to bring yourself to write a whole couple of thousand words to submit anyway?
There is a weird thing! Despite my disgust with homework, my score in the essay was 20, always! Also, my mathematics score was low in high school, but my technical perspective drawing or sketch was 20 in every grade! These show that I was not interested in studying and compulsory writing but had a potential and powerful mind. I remember when I was in three grade of school, one day, the teacher ordered the students to write an essay at home. He emphasized you should not copy anything from books and write the essay yourselves. The next day the teacher called me to read my essay in class. When I finished reading my article, he became angry and shouted at me, didn't I say to you not to copy from books?! He expelled me from the class for an hour as a punishment, while I had written the article myself!! Anyhow, I ask you to reduce the number to 20 at least. Thus you have helped a lazy writer LOL
Okay this is the admin officially losing patience Which part of no was difficult to comprehend ? You owe us 80 good critiques, I very generously offered to lower the figure to 40... I've already told you once that this isn't up for debate, i don't intend to have to repeat myself again. Your options at this point are a) complete 40 worthwhile and constructive critiques and get your create thread rights back b) don't complete them and don't get your rights back c) continue to argue about it, which will lead to me ripping up the offer of 40 and insisting on the 80 you actually owe, and may well also be accompanied by some time off to think about it, because i'm tired of this... Choose wisely, and stop wasting my time
Note that i said good constructive critique, not three nearly meaningless lines, put some time into itr, follow the guidance cog gives in that thread i linked think 'if i received this critique would it be useful to me ? thats why i suggest taking your time and doing one or two a day
The critique on Quatrain just about squeaks over the bar for constructive critique only because the poem itself is so short there is little to critique the one on buttons falls considerably short.. take a look at yours and then mine imediately below it... see the difference (i'm not saying mines perfect, but its considerably more towards the level of thought and consideration we are looking for) https://www.writingforums.org/threads/buttons.173465/#post-1979937 You've written one line of "Critique" my bold and then added a quote which gives the author nothing useful...this is what i mean about taking your time and really thinking about the work you are critiquing...
Yes, senior You discussed line by line, but I wrote totally about the poem regardless of the grammatical matters. I mostly write about contents of the poems, though pay attention to their appearance and composition, as well.
You wrote one line...one is line is not constructive critique... telling the the poet that his poem doesn't rhyme (he knows, it's free verse) but its meaningful doesn't meet the bar for 'constructive' If you don't want to do line by line you need to say more about why its meaningful, which parts are strong, which parts could use improvement etc... you got to remember that this isn't about box ticking your forty critiques, itrs about giving meaningful help to a fellow member of the community who is asking for help if your crit doesnt help him, why give it ? ETA: Cjlara in that thread despite being a 1 post newbie also gives really good thorough critique on the 'totality' of the poem... which demonstrates the sort of quality we are looking for Buttons
Yes, senior I understood. In the next post I will try to use the same instruction. What about this critique? https://www.writingforums.org/threads/quatrain.173486/
Hi @Mans - it can, at least be seen that you have put some more effort into that, but this isn't - as you seem to see it - "homework" before you're allowed to post in the workshop again. Critique is the lifeblood of writers. We can write what we think is amazing prose or ground-breaking poetry, but if an audience doesn't think so, or doesn't understand our message, it may as well be the list of ingredients on a box of cereal; we need other people to tell us that. We need critique. But; here's a thing. When I started writing reasonably seriously about eight years ago, I was keen for other people to critique my work, and would put it up for crit as soon as it was written (not so much here on this forum, but on another writer's forum with a pretty-much identical rule for giving as well as taking). As I was giving, I found I learned a lot. By looking at a wide variety of other writers' offerings as a writer rather than a reader, I was looking at it differently. I was learning. As I said, don't look at this as punishment, look at this as a great opportunity for learning from others. See what moves you in a variety of poems of differing styles. See how the plots play out in a number of short stories. See how characters are introduced and made real in swathes of openings to novels - all for free! See how you want to incorporate this into your own work. Don't try to notch your stick until you're allowed the key to the lab back, go and critique the work of others and apply what you learn to your own work. Not only will you benefit hugely from that, but you will end up posting much more polished work for critique in the future, and hopefully get more detailed and helpful responses. I can assure you that the mod team don't enjoy enforcing the critique rules any more than we enjoy stopping the mountains of spam that the internet seems to invite, but we do it because it makes the forum a better, more balanced, and more usable resource for all of our members. Go and get involved. Read, critique, learn, apply.
