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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    Why would sounding the H change the rest of the word?
     
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    It's ergly.
     
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    Macmillan's online dictionary, with pronunciation: (British English, here)

    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/hour
     
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    If you look it up in a good dictionary, they have the phonetic translation, and for all of those 4 words, they are all without an 'h' sound at the front, when I look in Macmillan and Cambridge dictionaries, so I have to disagree, sorry!

    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/honour_1
    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/heir
    http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/honest
     
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    It doesn't.. I'm confused. Is english not your first language?

    Hour is pronounced "ow-er." Sound it out. By saying the H isn't silent, you're implying it's pronounced "how-er." And I'm very confident that that (!) isn't the case.
     
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    Oooh - just discovered I can put phonemes up here!

    honest /ˈɒnɪst/ - the " ' " indicationg a silent letter, followed by " ɒ ", which is lik the o in " dog " - on'ist

    The rest are all there, too.
     
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    So "This is our hour" is pronounced "This is ow-er ow-er"? And since when did it become two syllables?
     
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    It does if you follow the rule about when to use 'a', or 'an' that I stated before - 'an' is used before a vowel, or dipthong sound - so here, Blake's use of 'an' indicates that the word must be pronounced without the 'h' at the front being sounded. If the 'h' were sounded, the double vowels after it would show that it could only be a hard 'h', and therefore a consonant sound, rather than a soft 'h', as you would say the letter of the alphabet 'aitch'.
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    Fair point - but I'm not changing.
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    Am I the only person who says haych when I get to the H in the alphabet?
     
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    I pronounce them the same, yes. lol

    Hour, power, cower, sour, flower, flour, tower. They are all pronounced the exact same to me, just with a different first letter, of course.
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    English is my only language. English English. I guess you could say American English is my second language, Yorkshire English is a stable third and Geordie English brings up the rear quite nicely.

    And no, I never say ow-er for hour.
     
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    It's very likely. I pronounce it aitch.

    Also, you're comparison video between hour and our sound the exact same to me.

    Also, why did you even start this thread if you already had a firm idea of what you wanted to do? Seems like a huge waste of everyone's time to me.
     
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    How do you pronounce hour then?
     
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    I couldn't make my mind up whether or not to use A or An for that particular sentence and so far, I've always been led to believe that this forum is a place anyone can come and ask a question - even the stupid ass ones - without being made to feel like a stupid, insignificant moron who doesn't even know the alphabet or their native language.

    If you feel I'm wasting your time, stop posting on this thread.
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    With a h at the beginning.
     
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    OK, first vid - I don't hear any 'h' at the front at all! - the only difference is where the first voice and the second voice stress the 'our'

    Second vid - My god, that woman annoyed the hell out of me!!
    But, taking personal feeling out of it, she said nothing about any of the words that I mentioned. And, following her rule, you would have "HOW-err" "HONN-er" "HAIR" and "HONNest", as you would need to *gestures madly with a mouth open to catch flies* "ex-HALE", as she puts it.

    Do you really hear an 'h' at the front of Hour, in the first video? (This is a serious question, not a jibe in any way.)
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    I do.

    (she annoyed me too but she makes a good point with her tics ...)

    I obviously need my ears cleaning out! I honestly can hear a difference!

    Maybe it's the way I myself, speak? Maybe it's the mix of regional accents I've been subjected to?

    Yes, I sound my h's. And it seems like I'm the only one. I'm now really starting to overthink this and that is a sure fire way to making a mess of what I'm working on so I'm away off into the kitchen to make something nice for the family for tea.
     
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    Aitch and yeah - posting a video that contradicts your claim as to how hour (identically sounding to "our") is pronounced seemed just a littttle bit strange... :p
     
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    I'm not trying to make you look, or feel like an idiot - only answering your question as an ex-English teacher - no offence meant, in any way. If you want me to go away, just say so.
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    I hear the h
     
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    cutecat22 The Strange One Contributor

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    I didn't mean you, @CJT

    I take everything on board except when someone tells me I'm wrong just because they do it differently
     
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    I'll admit I am getting on in years, so perhaps my ears are broken?

    Did sound identical to me though.

    It's fascinating -- the differences, innit?
     
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    It is fascinating - and that is what sometimes confused the hell out of me.

    I've always said the English Language is a fickle mistress.
     

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