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    In dedication to mammamaia

    Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Stinger, May 17, 2007.

    I just want to say I've visited your homepage, and I think you're one of the few real genious people I've seen on the face of earth.

    I respect you with all heart. You're great, you're really worthy of greatest respects!

    Why you're not famous? Why every body is not talking about your legacy? (Or you are?)
     
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    Here, here! *raises a glass to Maia*
     
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    *raises glass*

    ~Torana
     
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    Now I'm going to have to visit the homepage!
     
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    Dedication? Did she die!? o.o
     
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    In you countries you only dedicate to dead people?
     
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    I don't see what the big deal is. She's alright but a dedication post, c'mon.
     
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    No, we don't only do dedication's to dead people. In fact, I think it's much better if they're alive, because you can't make a corpse do a speech very easily.

    Speaking of:

    Speeeeeech!
     
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    I only dedicate things to dead people... park benches, fountains, memorials. You name it!

    Living people don't give enough appriciation.

    I find mamamaia to be quite harsh and frankly a little rude. I'm sure if I had a conversation with her I'd think differently. I guess she is in teacher mode a lot...

    No offence to you mamamaia. I really would like to have a general chat with you! =)
     
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    not that i'd noticed! ;-)

    stinger...
    i'm honored and flattered that you'd single me out like this [also, more than a bit embarrassed]... but i'm happy to know that you found my site and work of interest... thank you for those so very kind words... namaste!

    and thanks to you, banzai and torana, for the toasts...

    bicker... have to say i kinda/sorta agree with you... ;-)

    alice...
    i guess i'm in 'teacher' mode most of the time, 'cause that's what i do, pretty much 24/7... and it's the only reason i'm here... though i'd call it 'helper' mode, rather than 'teacher'...

    as for what you call 'harsh' and 'rude' i'm afraid some do see blunt honesty that way, when they'd rather see sugar-coated white lies and evasion, to make those seeking feedback feel better, if 'the awful truth' is too evident to honestly ignore... but i don't see that it's being at all helpful to not be totally honest, even if it hurts... and the vast majority of folks i'm that way with thank me for it, so it can't be all bad...

    i'd be glad to have a 'general chat' with you, at your convenience... just drop me an email any old time...

    love and hugs to all, maia
    maia3maia@hotmail.com
     
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    I don't know why I have a problem with it because my partner is the most blunt guy in the world. xD Woo email! ^^
     
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    well, there's blunt and then there's just plain mean and thoughtless... like so many guys, he may be the latter, but i'm never the former... not on purpose, anyway...
     
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    A lot of guys take teasing too far. Then it turns into mean and thoughtless. >.< I've grown up around it though so I tend to be like that too sometimes... D=
     
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    no, i'm not, stinger... not that i know of, anyway... but i guess i am 'known' in many parts of the world, due to years of global house/pet-sitting and helping writers who come to me from all over the planet...

    as for my legacy, i'm 68 and more than ready to leave this life the moment i'm 'let go' but don't have anyone to leave all the writings to, so i guess they'll just 'go' with me...

    namaste!
     
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    Why did you thank an Iranian with Namaste? Exactly what island are you from? I know the origins of the words and its usage in Hindu culture, which makes me question your employment of it in discussing anything with an Iranian. I should think a reference to a hafiz to show your erudition would be more apt. Of course had he/she been Pakistani or Indian then it would be even more incongruous - the Muslims and Hindus there being locked in horrid cycles of violence.

    I visited your site, but feel your philosphical and sociological observations were shallow and paled utterly compared to people who have studied with rigor and commitment like infinite thought on Cinetastic and Kpunk.
    Still, I'll toast you if only to get a drink.
     
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    And another thing, how can Stinger possibly be a fan of Kafka and Beckett and still like your arguments on "wombankind" or accept the notion of "sin" you employ, directing it selectively to men? We did selective perception on the 911 evil 11 post. Do you want me to draw you up a list of vile, violent women who did nothing but ruin this planet?
    The Medusa image is overdone - everyone from the ancients to Nietzsche and Lacan...
    Honestly, you come across on your site as a real misanthrope
    - and I'm not sure about your bandwagoning on Katrina either.
    The only explanation seems to be that Stinger hasn't really taken the time to really study Kafka and Beckett to any depth. Name me five other writers of the Prague circle?
    I'm a massive fan, but not an expert on Beckett. That notwithstanding, I do make an effort to learn about his work and its implications. As an aside, I should add that infinite thought translated some of Badiou's works on Beckett into English.
    As for Lawrence...Does the author of "The Rainbow" really rank in the same league as Kafka? Whatever the ontological and metaphysical dimensions his works may possess when you peel away the hard-core porn veneer, Lawrence never really tackles the fragmentary nature of modern experience or the wider political nature of being. Even his sex lacks a political dimension - a gaping flaw that even a child could see. Ah, but the big money of the English "culture" business drowns out any reasonable assessment of cultural significance...Monet must be good because he's in the Tate gallery. Tate as in Tate and Lyle, built on bloody slavery in sugar plantations. The taste of a few super-rich oxford-bred lunatics defining the publishing industry and dictating what your schools tell you is important...
     
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    gee, did writing all that psuedo-philosophical gluck and dissing me for this and that make you feel superior, onoria?... i can only pity you, if it did... btw, no one has to like what i write, but if someone does, and mentions it here, they don't deserve to be made fun of, because of it...

    and, fyi, the hindi greeting/leavetaking word, 'namaste' is a universally-used 'nice' and polite way to say hi or goodbye... as are 'salaam' and 'aloha' and 'shalom'... much more gracious, imo, than 'so long' or 'ta ta' or 'cheers'!... so, why blast my use of it and assume i'm clueless, if not only to make yourself feel smarter or more worldly, or whatever?... sadly, i'd say you proved the opposite...

    fyi, i've traveled the world over--gone entirely around the planet--and i use words/phrases from many languages, with people of all cultures... not only the ones that they speak, though i will often do that, too...

    as for where i live now, it's the island of tinian, which you may have never heard of, though it occupies a major place in human history... the darkest part!

    i will not go tit for tat and look at your work [if you have any publicly available], to give you 'payback'...
    1. i don't do that...
    2. i doubt you have anything to say that would interest me and...
    3. i'd rather pretend you don't exist, if you don't mind...

    love and hugs [anyway], m
     
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    Justify this comment, please. It's a sweeping comment and I don't see anything in my post that can be called gluck. I throw down the gauntlet for you to point out a single point I raised that was invalid.

    You see, I wasn't "dissing" you; I was saying that I thought what you had to say on your site was ill thought-out rhetoric that only persuades the uncritical reader. I am genuinely worried about the rise of this kind of self-righteous man-hating half-baked mysticism in Western culture.
    And your resort to very crude psychology is lamentable. Does pointing out that there are better and more rigorous thinkers out there than you make me superior? I never reserved that title for myself - I said that compared to Infintie Thought, of Kpunk, your work was shallow. To be honest, I don't even think you can be ranked alongside someone like Mark Kpunk or IT.
    Where did I "make fun of" anyone? Quote the line in which I mock someone?

    This is just plain wrong. Namaste is a Hindu word. Okay, Stinger is an Atheist and probably doesn't care, but to claim the word is "universally-used" is daft. That you put "shalom" alongside it just adds to point. Do you honestly think that a Jewish and Hindu greeting are the best words to use when speaking to someone from a predominantly Muslim nation? What about the west bank or the Kashmir? Have you ever watched a rally by the Hindu far right in India? Would you really say Shalom to a Muslim cleric?
    You claim to be plain and honest, but when it comes down to it, you are quite happy to insult me as an individual rather reply on an intellectual level to the points I've raised. This is classic politics - Let's not talk about the issues, let's just make personal attacks!

    Read my sig file.


    I do know a little about Tinian. I would love for you to justify the comment that the island occupies the darkest part in human history. I suppose this is a reference to certain American bombers that passed through the island? So the holocaust, or Boer genocide or the battle of Stalingrad were nothing then?

    Re: Your final points -
    You just did! What was that post if not an attempt to flame me?
    Well, me neither then!
    You mean, you have no interest in what anyone else says unless they agree with you.
    Stick your head in the sand if you want.
     
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    ooohhhhh..... maybe we should all calm down here. Don't like what the other says. just say, hey, great point of view but I believe differently??? I don't know. Maybe a proper debate is in order instead of going backwards and forwards like this.. turning a nice thread into a flame-o-thon.

    Personally, I havn't really chatted with Mia but I don't frequeant the threads that she mainly goes to so I can't say much other than she seems like a nice person. I have seen one or two of her comments but they are her point of view!

    On the otherside, I like Onaria and have chatted with her once or twice and found her rather helpful,

    But other than that... I had no idea what you guys were talking about because I'm not that smart! You are both obviously smart women with a great wide perception on humanity and the world and all it's workings. I wish I was able to be like that and be able to voice my thoughts and ideas. So come on guys.... stop the flaming. This started off nice, lets end it nice. :)
     
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    I honestly don't have a personal problem with her, I just find her work really offensive and prejudicial. I'm far more concerned with what she says. This is the kind of stuff we are being asked to politely applaud:

    (Mammamaia - from her site.)
    Okay, point by point.
    First the title - What would the opposite of this be? Are males contingent? Well, are human beings necessary or the result of chance? Why should an entire gender be forced to justify its existence?

    1. All but the first of the list is by no means exclusive or particular to males. Flat biology makes it harder for women to rape than men - but there are cases. And let's not forget that Dolphins also gang rape. As for murder, subjugation and beating being exclusively or particularly male activities, this is sexism - prejudice pure and simple. I find it as offensive as her claiming that all of these activities are done mainly by jews, or blacks.
    2. In another essay you say that 'men cannot meddle with mother nature' and then you say you don't need men because you can fertilize your own eggs. Contradiction?
    Also, isn't it the very best of human activity precisely those things that are not necessary. Are you really going to quote Ghandi on a sig. file and then claim that men have nothing to offer? Was Leonardo Da Vinci just wasting paint?
    A point that also answers No. 3. Mozart, Tolstoy, Kafka, Shakespeare, Spinoza, Plato...history is littered with the deeds of great men as well as women. And women are just as warlike - what of Bodicea or Margaret Thatcher or Lucreia Borges!

    Whatever personal experience you have had had with men in your life, no matter how bitterly you feel, let me assure you that my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were all truly fantastic men who I loved to bits and who really contributed to the world in which they lived.
    I would not infer just because I was caught up in an IRA bomb that all Irish men are villains. I would not, after being mugged by Chinese woman think that all Chinese women are violent criminals.

    I'm not sorry for starting a flame if its against misanthropy and this kind of vincible ignorance. It might be more polite not to heckle the speaker at a Nazi rally, but I'm going to do it anyway.
     
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    Wow. As I had posted previously, Ihavn't actually been to her sight but I am mildly offended on behalf of my Bf/ father/ brother and other male relatives and friends. We are human. There is good and there is bad but lumping everyone into one catagory is kind of offensive.

    Okay, granted that sometimes I'm like we don't need men at all! But i'm not that extremely serious.

    From what has been stated, I agree with Onoria in the point that I disagree with Mia (if that makes sense). But I believe that Mia has a right to her point of view and until I read her site, which I have been turned off from really reading I can't really comment further until Mia has her say! arg! I don't particularly want to take sides though!
     
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    I think you should take sides on the issues - but avoid any personal comments.
     
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    fyi, the language that a hindu [what the person is called] speaks is 'hindi'...thus, 'namaste' is a 'hindi' word...

    i am not going to rise to the bait and indulge your obvious need to bemean both myself and my work, onoria... that you would choose to do so in this thread in particular, amazes and saddens me...

    please hold forth on your opinion of me elsewhere, instead of hijacking someone else's thread that was clearly not meant to be a vehicle for you to ramble on about your disagreement with me and my works...

    dropbear...
    before you make such assumptions about me or that one piece of work, please note that onoria took bits of it out of context, to make her point... there are hundreds more pieces of work on the site, only some of them having to do with that particular subject...

    you say you're 'turned off' from even going to my site, although only one person here has made it sound like it's something to be avoided... even though the person who started this thread clearly thinks otherwise... i hope you don't always jump to negative conclusions about people that way...

    please, will all of you respect stinger, at least [if not me], and let his thread not continue to be a battleground?... that's not at all what he meant it to be, i'm sure... in respect for him, if for no other reason, peace and friendship should reign here, not conflict...

    and if he is offended by my using a hindi word that means, in effect, 'we are one' then he is free to say so for himself... in fact, he is the only one who has a real right to comment on that, since it was meant for him alone...

    'namaste' to all!... love and hugs, maia
     
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    Mammamia isn't all that great, but what do I know...
    Also I'd like to say that I find your views on men disgusting. You shouldn't be writing, get back in the kitchen, that oven isn't gonna turn itself on.
     
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