Is There A Gay Clichay in Contemporary Fantasy?

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    If you just skip everything contributed by the OP, this is a pretty good thread.
     
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    Yu geis r so clishay.
     
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    "You magic compulsion are so cliche"

    Am I translating that correctly? I am not sorry ;-)
     
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    Now all ur things are belong to me.

     
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    Hmm... I just about finished with The Ascension Factor. May need to look at this read. :)
     
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    Yeah, I don't like gay literature

    ...

    unless it's between two girls. ;)

    In seriousness though, I don't see a problem with it, unless there's an attitude of straight-shaming. But those are ideas that (*fortunately*) I only have to explore in my fiction, for now. The anti-white / anti cis-gender movement hasn't quite caught on yet in the real world.
     
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    Has that ever happened :confused:
     
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    I've never come across it in blatant form, but... It could be argued that Storm Constantine does address the idea of str8-shaming (not actually doing it, but talking about it) in her Wraeththu novels. In those novels, humans that have not been incepted or born into Wraththu would be the equivalent of str8 people in the tell of the tale. All Wraeththu who are incepted were once male humans. Female humans die if they are incepted, but there is a sister race to Wraeththu called Kamagrian that are understood to have come from women. They are far fewer in number, being only a handful compared to Wraeththu. In this way, Constantine does address gender imbalance and the shaming of anyone for their sexual preference, in the case of these stories, it is the humans, representing str8 people, who are the repressed and/or enslaved. Again, she doesn't write to commit the act of shaming, but to engage it as a topic.
     
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    I couldn't put it down. I read it in less than a week WITH a newborn baby. That should count for something.
     
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    When you spend as much time in politically charged groups as I do, you meet the scum of the earth. I love it.

    Couldn't have said it better than @Wreybies myself. I don't enjoy reading about gay relationships because I prefer reading about relationships that I can relate to, but those books sound interesting, I have to admit. Is it YA? Or just fantasy? (sorry if you already explained this; didn't read the whole thread)
     
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    Definitely not YA. I don't think so, imo. Way more sex than I think YA typically feels comfortable with, and the first book in the series, The Enchantments of Flesh and Spirit, was published in 1987, so I don't think it would have been written with the parameters of what we think of as modern YA in mind. Definitely Fantasy, though. Easiest to find in hardprint in its omnibus form:

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    Wraeththu is not YA :)
     
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    Good to know! I'll definitely consider giving it a go. I've just got a HUGE (pronounced "youge") back-log to get through first.

    EDIT: Sorry for being so off-topic, but I couldn't help it. @Steerpike, your profile picture reminds me of a series I read as a middle-schooler called "Warriors".
     
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    Any chance you also read the second trilogy in the Wraeththu world?

    • The Wraiths of Will and Pleasure (2003)
    • The Shades of Time and Memory (2004)
    • The Ghosts of Blood and Innocence (2005)
    If not, long story short, Storm retells the major story arc of the original novels, but through the POVs of different characters - some that were only ancillary in the original novels - thus giving new and varied minor story arcs.
     
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    Wow, babies usually read quite slowly. Did (s)he* enjoy it as much as you did?


    *sorry, forgot which it was
     
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    Good Argument

    Awesome. Jemisin owns, and I've already been recced this. Will dive in.
     
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    No, it has been on my list :)

    As an aside, a friend of mine had his first novel published a few years back and Storm Constantine was his editor. She's quite cool, apparently.
     
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    My nephew is really into that series right now :)
     
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    Oddly enough I have not really come across this 'Gay Cliche' in any piece of fiction
    outside of a short story in collection of Dystopian shorts. Though it was an important
    plot point to the story, so I don't think it could be a cliche.

    Personally I don't really care one way or another. If I can accept the prospect that
    a guy writes about helicopter men and dinosaurs being in carnal relation, then
    what is there really left? While it may not be my cup of tea, as long as it tells
    a story that I can find enjoyable then that is all that matters. Like it is anyless
    weird than all the unrealistic hybrids pumped out at either end of Fantasy and
    Sci-fi.
    (And no I have not read the tales of helicopter men and dinosaurs.)
     
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    (s)he* prefers to be gender neutral. Sixteen days old and already politically correct. :love:
     
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    You're tempted to though, aren't you? I know I am, just to see why Mr. Tingle is one of the bestselling authors of the current scene.
     
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    What even is this dinosaur fuckery stuff, anyway?
     
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    I'm more of a Sci-Fi guy, so Space Raptor Butt Trilogy for me, please. :-D



    Also, just a heads-up, naked torso on cover of gay erotica means there will be hard-core action. Enter AYOR. ;)
     
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    Best to ask Tenderiser about that one. :p
     

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