So we'll see how far this goes, but I thought a thread for talking about poems might be a good idea. This way poets here who want to learn more about the craft of poetry can do so by taking a look at poems, deconstructing them, and observing how others deconstruct them. The idea would be that you can post a poem here and write a little bit about why you like it. Then other people can give their opinions or interpretations of the same poem if they feel so inclined. Another way to use the thread would be to post a poem that you don't understand and see if anyone has anything enlightening to say about it. You can comment on the various poetic devices present in poems in this thread, or you can just post general questions or comments. You can refer to literary theory, or just go with what your gut is telling you. I think a lot of good things can come out of this kind of discussion. I hope this is the right section to post this in. I know it's not discussing a single book, but presumably all of these poems can be found in books. I think we should stipulate that poems in this thread should be relatively short (<40 lines or so?). For longer poems start a separate thread, or just post an excerpt. I think we should also stipulate that if you post a poem you should at least say a few things about it, whether they're interprative, or if you are having trouble understanding it, what confused you about it. Another thing that I'd like to suggest is that if you don't understand any poetic terminology that's used, just look it up on wikipedia or google instead of asking someone else to explain what it means. My point in including this quotation is to remind us that poetry is not about encoding ideas with a grab bag of poetic devices. When writing poetry, poetic devices most often emerge through a natural process. You're trying to express something and suddenly you realize you've got a metaphor. A certain rhyme scheme seems to fit, so you work with it. When we're analysing poetry, it doesn't do any good to look at poetic devices in a vacuum. We have to comment on what effect they have. So don't just say "this is the meter." Say, "this is what the meter does." Don't just say "this is a metaphor." Say, "the metaphor makes me think of such and such." Or ask questions. "I noticed that this line has a strange rhythm. Does anyone have any impressions about that?" If we take that sort of approach, I think this could be a useful thread. And if I'm the only one contributing, it's not likely to last long. So I hope there are some poets out there interested in this sort of discusssion.