We brushed over this subject here. The following questions were brought up: A skinny / slim / fit / beautiful person's right to showcase their looks in front of other people in various social situations, be it by dressing classy or trashy (and revealing), how looking at a slim person makes a heavier person feel, should slim people be held responsible for the potential misery they cause to their heavier counterparts, should slim people be held responsible for the potential harm they cause for the relationships of heavier people when one party in the couple leers at the slim person, are the slim folk causing this harm or is it the leering partner of the overweight person who is harming the relationship with his/her actions etc. etc. I've been on both sides of the fence: I was a chubby kid, slimmed down during my growth spurt, and ended up being 6'/185cm & 220lbs/100kg at my fattest as an adult (with bodyfat of around 28-30%). I then slimmed down to 155lbs/70kg (bodyfat around 10-12%) and finally carved out that coveted six-pack. I don't really care much about outside pressure regarding looks, but I hated how I looked and, most of all, how I felt when I was fat, hence the change in lifestyle. I also have chronic back pain and a possibly cracked meniscus in my right knee, both of which start acting up when I gain weight, so I could say that when I'm heavier than 165lbs/75kg, I start getting health problems. That's a bit of a drag because although I get fat easily, I also gain muscle very easily, almost by accident, and I'd like to be a bit stronger/muscular than I am now (my dream weight would be 175lbs/80kg with bodyfat of less than 10%), but currently that'd just cause more harm than good. Anyway, I've gotten my fair share of sneers, (sometimes veiled) insults etc. when I was overweight as well as when I was skinny. Usually they come from my parents, but also from acquaintances (my friends don't do this because they're... well, friends). I have a pretty thick skin, but when I was fat, on bad days it sucked regardless. What annoyed me more, however, were the sneers aimed at me when I was slim and fit, the bulk of the insults coming from overweight people: I had worked fucking hard to get to that point, I was healthier than ever, I'd never been as fit and capable (physically) etc. But apparently that wasn't a good thing after all: suddenly I was too skinny, a shallow dullard who only cared about his looks, didn't know how to enjoy life, and so on. But here's where those two states of being differed: when I was overweight, I had the socially recognized right to defend myself (speaking of verbal confrontations here), but when I'd cut down my bodyfat percentage, it turned out I had also cut down my right to speak up against sneers and insults. It seems quite a few people feel that being skinny is so great that when you are, you shouldn't have other benefits. I know most people don't think like this, but the posts in the rape-thread still got me thinking and they reminded me of this issue (not saying anyone there claimed these things, just that their posts reminded me of these issues). When considering online discussion boards, I've encountered quite a few overweight people who are incredibly bitter and downrigh hostile towards slimmer folks even though usually the overweight are so simply because they are either lazy or great at making excuses why they don't exercise or stop over-eating. Some claim health problems and while some of these claims are valid, many are just excuses. An example: there's a Finnish mother, Päivi Bothas, who was severely overweight (at most she weighed 200lbs/90kg and afaik she's around 5'4/162cm) and suffered of hypothyroidism. After giving birth, she decided that she would get healthy, so she put in countless hours of grueling training, fixed her diet, and now she's competing in fitness competitions around the country, donning a healthy amount of muscle, little fat, she's fit, looks good, and, according to her own words, feels great. It was a hell of a feat, especially when you look at her before and after photos, but if a mother with thyroid problems can accomplish that and cut over 70lbs (can't remember the exact number, but it was in that ball park), I'd argue that most people can do the same. I, too, have many health problems (I've been on sickleave for over 4 years now and it appears my back condition will be a life-long partner), but I refuse to become someone I'm not (a fatso) even though my body is very much inclined to gain fat, gather fluids, and most exercise hurts (not in a good way). Then again, once you really get into it, exercising and eating well are actually fun, but it sucks that a part of society believes you should be punished for the results of the hard work you've gone through to make yourself healthier (physically and mentally) and, according to some people, better-looking. I figured I'd open a new thread so we can discuss these issues without derailing another one. Anyway, ideas? Opinions? How much guilt do you believe should be placed on the overweight person in regards to the problems (mental and physical) derived from over-eating? Should slim people cover their bodies to the best of their abilities during social gatherings so they won't cause distress to overweight people? I discuss these issues with KaTrian in some of our WIPs since we have MCs who represent several different body types ("average," overweight, skinny, athletic etc) and it's interesting to observe how a character's build affects their capabilities, their psyches, how they look at themselves / others, how others look at them etc.