To infinity and beyond?

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  1. Mackers

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    My bad...
     
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    What I find fascinating is that there are just as many even numbers (infinite) as there are integers (infinite).
     
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    What I find even more fascinating is that between two hard points, two distinct beginnings and ends, like the numbers 1 and 2, there are an infinite amount of numbers in between. So I guess time can have a beginning and an end, but still be infinite. I think. Or am I just mad?
     
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    I didn't think anybody gave Xeno's bound infinity theorems credence
     
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    That fact that two vehicles approaching one another, head on, do eventually make dramatic contact would seem to show that mathematics does not always accurately describe observational evidence.
     
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    Yes, if you stick to the monkey Shakespeare conundrum, you're good, but at no point in infinite time, is there a reason, for instance, to suspect a bird without any wings might suddenly up and fly away in an earth like atmosphere.
     
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    All infinities are infinite, but some are more infinite than others.

    … I'm not sorry :D
     
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    Selbbin The Moderating Cat Staff Contributor Contest Winner 2023

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    Unless you make a Kiwi a plane.
     
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    Garball Banned Contributor

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    Quite true, time cannot change physics, but could time produce a jackalope?
     
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    I've recently had this discussion. I am of the opinion that there is no requirement or guarantee that an infinite amount of typing has to necessarily result in every combination being generated. Duplicate pieces mean all combinations are not necessary.

    Only if one were talking about infinite generation of truly random letters would one expect that eventually every possible combination would be generated.

    Monkeys throw a wrench in that. ;)
     
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    No one said the Universe had to make sense. :)
     
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    Apes, however... totally different story.
     
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    GingerCoffee Web Surfer Girl Contributor

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    It could happen.
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    I've always preferred the image of an infinite number of tornadoes passing through an infinite number of scrapyards eventually assembling a '71 Vega hatchback from parts. I like to think it could happen.
     
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    Yes, but that also means they'll type up the complete works of J.K. Rowling. You have to take the good with the awful.
     
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    The problem is, the forces involved are not those needed to assemble an auto.
     
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    Funny, I've always secretly suspected that's how the original design was developed.
     
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    All things imaginable do exist which is why they are imaginable. You need to come up with what has yet to be imagined.
     
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    *further wondering what the monkeys are planning for the humans*
     
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    I can't recall specific philosophers, but I remember reading a posit that a person cannot imagine something that does not already exist.
     
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    What if (s)he doesn't know it already exists?
     
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    You can only imagine based off what you perceive is the premises; I believe.
     
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    I can imagine Cthulhu, does that make Cthulhu real?
     
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    It makes him a real imaginary creature:p

    However unique, though, all of the components are based off of seen features; leathery bat wings? Tentacles on the face like an octopus? catfish barbels?

    If there were never any stars visible (ever), do you think somebody would paint a starry night?
     
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    Hmm... I would argue that thinking something brings it into existence. On the other hand, people who believe in God could use that against me. So never mind. But I still disagree with the philosopher(s) you allude to.
     

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