Why are the women usually the victims in horror?

Discussion in 'Horror' started by Link the Writer, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. Unit7

    Unit7 Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,148
    Likes Received:
    61
    Cherry Falls is pretty much what your looking for as far as this part goes. The whole idea is that some killer is going around killing the Virgins. Cant remember if it was any good. Been awhile since I seen it. I think overall most people didnt like it but for me, well Im a sucker for such movies. lol
     
  2. Berenice

    Berenice New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2011
    Messages:
    51
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere in Europe
    :D

    Err... most definitely no. I take it that is an excuse for the male prot to now deflower every virgin in sight or some such thing?

    So not, because it again makes a topic out of something which is a neglectable physical state. I state the above about wanting a "slut" or "sluts" to survive precisely because I dislike the message that only virginal/clean girls are valuable enough to stay alive. What you suggest again puts virginity on the plate, much with the same intent, as in "I will lose it only because I'm forced to have sex to survive" and not because the women enjoy having sex.

    The male virgin in Wicker Man I found acceptable solely because of the clearcut Christian connotations as a sacrificial offering, not because I attach any value to the state. In general I prefer sex-positive messages, and that usually means to me that the women enjoy it as much as the guys and as often.
     
  3. Unit7

    Unit7 Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2009
    Messages:
    1,148
    Likes Received:
    61
    Well I was only suggesting because the Virgins are the targets. :p Also the main character was female... which I dunno if that makes it better or worse. I dunno I didnt actually readthe full post. Its like 3-4am atm and im bored/tired.

    Though I have to be honest. I was incredibly thick skulled. To behonest I have never once noticed that particular message. I have always assumed, as far back as I knew what sex was, that women loved it just as much if not more then men. So any sort of sexist/whatever message about that was just ignored altogether. Unless its the basis of some joke on a sitcom. Because it never gets old watching Peggy beg Al for sex. Usually the other way around in other sitcoms. OK beg might have been an exaggeration in most cases.

    Ok im done typing on this for now. To tired.

    But it has been a eye opening read. Hmm... its just so odd.
     
  4. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2006
    Messages:
    19,150
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Location:
    Coquille, Oregon
    in addition to all of the above, it's because women are most frequently the victims of horrific crime in real life!

    and 'art' [to use the term loosely!] mirrors life...
     
  5. Steerpike

    Steerpike Felis amatus Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2010
    Messages:
    13,984
    Likes Received:
    8,557
    Location:
    California, US
    Yes, the stereotypical premise underlying the OP's post doesn't really hold true in the genre these days. The question posed relies on a faulty premise.
     
  6. TheWritingWriter

    TheWritingWriter New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2011
    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    A little to the left
    There are plenty of horror movies that torment men. Trick 'r Treat. Saw. Hellraiser. But I suppose that, in the movie that do focus mostly on tormenting women, it does have to do with the age group, like someone said. The main percentage of the viewers are males from ages 17 to 21. I think it might also have to do with the psychological aspect. You're going to feel sorry for a young, defenseless woman way faster than a big, beefy male running for his life in tears, also it makes the bad guy seem more monstrous, if he can kill someone so defenseless with such little conscience.
     
  7. daydreams

    daydreams Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    50
    Likes Received:
    4
    Both boys and girls, men and women, were killed rather indiscriminately in movies/movie series like Halloween (Jamie Lee Curtis's character survives), Friday the 13th (the one survivor was a girl), Nightmare on Elm Street (Nancy saves the day). And regarding who is a mindless bimbo, I think we get to see both female and male characters doing the wrong thing or acting stupid or helpless. The Descent is a favourite of mine, and it's about a bunch of friends, all girls, who find themselves trapped in a cave. So there you have all the victims female but really none of them are particularly stereotypically bimboish. On the contrary, I would say. The Scream series is another example. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Hermione Granger from Harry Potter is anything but a weak victim. But I think it becomes more common the further back in time you go?
     
  8. Aeschylus

    Aeschylus Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2009
    Messages:
    240
    Likes Received:
    20
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    While they're definitely outside the mainstream, take a look at the series Marble Hornets. It's a YouTube horror series, in a style similar to the Blair Witch Project/Paranormal Activity but broken into short segments online. It's just brilliant, and really gets inside your head..... and almost all the characters are male. Of course the whole point is that it's supposed to seem like it's really happening (in other words, NOT like a movie) but still. There are a few series like it (even the same subject), the best of which is Tribe Twelve.
     
  9. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    Interesting question.
    It is in the same breath why is the Bible all about men. God is a man (apparently) and Jesus is a man, and all his disciples are men too.?
    Well it is wether we like it a steretoype that is still carried on up to this day.
    In the same idea that all main characters in films and books are all couples of man and a woman.
    I have yet to see a film or read a book where the main characters are gay or cross gender for example.
     
  10. Prophetsnake

    Prophetsnake New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    5
    What, not even the one you got your icon from?



    Meow
     
  11. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    Hehe.....LOl...but that is very differen.:p
    That is a man dressed as woman. That is very different.
    That is what I call a Perfect Person. A man intouch with his feminine side.:D
     
  12. Prophetsnake

    Prophetsnake New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    411
    Likes Received:
    5
    Anyhow, to answer the original question, there are a couple of reasons why some sweet young (real) girl is generally the vicitm in horror. for one, it's the same reason that serial killers often go after young women if the objectof their campaign is to shock society. Young girls are valuable. We place a higher value on them for a variety of reasons, the most important of which is that they're essential for the continuance of the species. I know, so are guys, but young guys are cheap and plentiful, and you can make lots of babies with just one, whereas you need lots of women of breeding age if you want a larger next generation. So losing a girl is always more shocking for this one essential reason. I'm at a loss to explain their throwaway status in many culutres, though. India, for example. Anyhow in western culture, it is the case that they are given extra points.
    The big reason that sex is used is this: Sex opens your brain. It removes defences. It's primal and when arousal occurs an author has access to a lot more buttons at your control centre. It doesn't neccessarily have to be a young girl being threatened to do this; it can be something far more subliminal. For example, the first Aliens film. The sequence when they are in the alien spaceship near the beginning was obviously intended to represent a vagina. Well it is if you are in my brain, anyhow. Seriously thogh, it was. In fact, the whole scene was laden with subliminal sexual images. Once they have gotten into your head like that, they have you. Hitchcock knew this very well and has spoken at length about it. He used a lot of sex, but the most vivid is the shower scene in Psycho.
    Our programming is deep rooted. There is a fear that many men have known as Vagina Dentata or toothed vagina. It's supposed to be an expression of the emasculating capability many women have over men. Anyhows... the producers of the film Jaws originally produced a poster that had a wide open shark's mouth coming head on at the viewer. This was considered to be too intense for the male theatre going public due to the previously mentioned phenomenon, so they went for the girl swimming above the rising shark instead. That image makes an entirely different set of suggestions, of course, but it tittilates men, rather than scare the bejesus out of them.
     
  13. cruciFICTION

    cruciFICTION Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,232
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    ... That's not a man in touch with his feminine side. That's an actor playing the part of a man who's in touch with his feminine side.
     
  14. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    It does not matter.
    He enjoyed doing and it suited him.
    It takes charisma and charms to dress up and be cool about it.
    I do admire men who can do both without guily or paranoid .
     
  15. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2006
    Messages:
    19,150
    Likes Received:
    1,034
    Location:
    Coquille, Oregon
    there are many such books [e.g., 'the hotel new hampshire' and 'giovanni's room' etc.]... same goes for movies [e.g., 'philadelphia' and brokeback mountain' etc.]...

    you need to expand your reading and viewing horizons, c...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_characters_in_modern_written_fiction
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_characters_in_film,_radio,_and_TV_fiction

    ...fyi, cross-dressers are usually [or at least often] 'gay' or 'cross-gender'...
     
  16. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    45
    Location:
    Southern California
    One of the best movies ever:


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115685/
     
  17. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    45
    Location:
    Southern California

    Agree.
     
  18. seelifein69

    seelifein69 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    SW Florida

    OH yeah. Birdcage RULES
     
  19. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    I have seen the film and I do love it.
    The only issue Ihave with is this:
    Being gay is one thing,
    Being a cross dresser is another.
    Gay and a cross dressers are two very different concepts.
    To put them together under the same roof is confusing the issues.
    I did question the title too,
    Bird and cage it is almost suggestive if something else.
    But yes great movie all the same because of the actors and it was funny.
     
  20. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    [
    '
    Ihave to disagree on this.
    Gay is very different to a cross gender totally.
    Two very different things.
     
  21. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    45
    Location:
    Southern California
    So you have seen a film with a main character being gay or a cross dresser. Seeing as both the main characters in this movie are gay and one is a cross dresser.
     
  22. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    45
    Location:
    Southern California
    Not really. Every cross dresser I have ever known has been gay (I have met a lot in LA). Also, she said, "often," which implies she knows it is not always the case (and I agree it in not always the case). But it is more common than not.
     
  23. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    Not if you think that the reason why they are crossdressers because initially and ultimately their mental /they think they are woman.
    Hence the reason why they dress like a woman which leads me to say they are not gay, but they are a woman that go with a man.
    That is the definition of a cross dresser.
    A gay man fancies and wants to be with another man not a woman or someone dressed like a woman.
    There is a very fine line there.
     
  24. Jhunter

    Jhunter Mmm, bacon. Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    45
    Location:
    Southern California
    This is probably a horrendously offensive statement to a lot of people.

    I do not agree that cross dressers and gay people are crazy.
     
  25. Cacian

    Cacian Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,877
    Likes Received:
    5
    I am sorry to say that you do not anyhting about the subject
    Unless you are one you are not to speak about it and call it crazy.
    There is nothing offensive about what I said.
    Yet again you speak as if you know it all.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice