Dinklage is an incredible actor, but sadly he's not Tyrion. But I think I saw an interview where he said he was the only one to go to the audition, so obviously he got the part. He's just not.... Imp... enough.
Yeah, Dinklage is a handsome little dude. But once again, @Ulramar, Tyrion didn't know about the false ruse until Tywin confronted him about his "whore". Until then, he belived he had saved a damsel in distress and that she fell madly in love with him. For that one day (I think it was a day) Tyrion didn't feel like an ugly imp. He belived this woman loved him and he didn't feel ugly, repulsive, or weak. He had gained something for that little while that his brother Jaime get's freely (Strength, respect, adoration, love from family...). That's what he's thankful for, that one moment he had been given a chance to feel what everyone has a right to feel and which he'd been denied all his life.
That kind of made sense, but he was so bitter to Cersei and Tywin about it, but loved Jaime for it? That's what's confusing.
Tyrion is bitter toward Cercei because she's a bitch, plain and simple. She goes out of her way to hurt him or try to make his life worse. Cercei does this for 2 reasons: she blames him for their mother's death (She died giving birth to Tyrion) and Maggie the Frog read Cercei's future and everyone of her predication is coming true. The final one, was that the valenquor(Little brother) will strangle her to death. This is her mounting fear of Tyrion, believing he will kill her after he kills off her children (Another predication) Tywin is a very... loving father. Loving to the point where the family becomes less about the individual and more about the whole. Tyrion alwayswanted his father's love like Jaime has it but his father never shows any ģratitude or anything for Tyrion, leading to lots of head butting. He also hated Tywin for fforcing his wife, whore or not, to be fucked by every man in the barrack and then him. It was a cruel thing to experience, for sure. Cersei had nothing to do with the wife/whore incident.
When did the whole prediction thing happen? Do we happen to get a Cersei chapter somewhere down the line? But yeah, her bitterness sort of makes sense. And on the family unit above the individuals thing, I kind of see that. He forced Cersei to marry Robert Baratheon. But I don't know, he seemed to like Tyrion the least. Cersei couldn't claim Casterly Rock* until all her brothers had lost their claim, and their kids too. Jaime joined Aerys', Robert's, and Tommen's (I think he did then dropped out with his deal for Tyrion's life with Tywin) Kingsguard and, just like the Night's Watch, lost his claim to all lands and titles and such. So, there's just Tyrion, but still, Tywin wouldn't give it to him. So, there was some recognition of the individuals. * I know that they started out at Lannisport then extinguished the Casterlys and took Casterly Rock, but why isn't Lannisport their capital? That still makes no sense, or were they not as high up when they were just in Lannisport, and Casterly Rock held the title? Taking that made it the capital, just like Wintefell is essentially the capital of the north, even after Theon took it in the name of House Greyjoy and the Iron Islands, I guess?
I don't know too much about the old history of the Lannister house but their seat of power is Casterly Rock, not Lannisport, although I assume they built it long ago. The Cersei chapters happened either in the Dance with Dragons or the one before it, I can't recall exactly. Maybe even earlier. True, Tywin definitly has a hard time loving Tyrion, though he does try (He often gives him positions of power such as the master of coin and when he ran the aquaducts as well as temporary King's Hand. However, Tywin hated the idea of Tyrion being the sole heir to the Lannister name. He always expected Jaime to take the mantle (Bribing Jaime with Tyrion's sentence to join the black rather than execution if he give sup the white cloak). He belives Tyirion to be a whore-monger and a drunk, completly and with very little prospect of obtaining a noble born legitimate son. Which is odd, in a sense. Tywin ends up in bed with Shae. Did she seduce him or is Tywin just as bad as Tyrion when it comes to whores? Did Tywin perhaps see a bit too much of himself in Tyrion and feared Tyrion, unlike himself, unable to contain his base desires (Drinking, whoring, ect.) and bringing down the Lannister name he had built to ever greater heights should he inherit the house? I wonder, he often says Tyrion does as he is told but never congratulates him on a job well done(Something Tyrion laments) but does he give Tyrion this positions of power in hopes he fails at them and gives Tywin a legitimate reason to rid himself of Tyrion and that his constant excellence at every task simply proves that he is worthy but Tywin cannot bring himself to admit it?
@Ulramar... The lesser Lannisters live in Lannisport... and we know how our lot like to think themselves a cut above. Casterly Rock is an imposing place, makes perfect sense for it to be their seat. One of the lessers accompanied Marcella to Dorne, I think.
That's highly possible. He still probably resents Tyrion for killing his wife during labor. That makes sense. Like, Lancel came from Lannisport? I've always just been kind of confused.
Yup... our Lannisters pretty much think they are useless. In the show wasn't the bloke caged with Jaime (when captured by Catelyn) one of them? Although he was a made up character at any rate, just there to make for a dramatic escape.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low? Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws, And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours. And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere, And now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear. And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere, And now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear. @Ulramar That's a definete posibility. Early in the books, was there not comments on how much he changed after the passing of his wife? That he became absorbed in his work and didn't seem to laugh or anything anymore?
I seem to recall that. Everyone else was upset over it, why not him? The Rains of Castamere It's my ringtone.
I read the first book, enjoyed it, watched season three, only half enjoyed it then put it down. It's quite funny because the TV series is known amoung my coworkers as medieval porn. I did like the first book but got the impression that this was going to be a long drawn out family history of some kind in which whinging bitch (Jon Snow) was somehow going to come out on top. Sigh...I lost interest. I'm not saying Martin isn't a talented writer or the series aren't worthy. I'm just not one for protracted political intrigues. What I liked about Martin is that he wasn't squeamish about taboo issues. He just went there with actions usually reserved for inspiring hatred for villains. How heinous....he raped someone. Or it's incest etc....hate, hate, hate. No. In these books it's so matter of fact as a normal part of life back then. And in reality, in that time period in human history it probably was.
Not true. There was no casting for Tyrion. He was offered the roll straight up. Personally I think he captures Tyrion's wit so well. I personally don't care if he doesn't look like Tyrion, because he's one ugly guy. Especially once his nose is cut off. Spoiler: A Dance with Dragons Unlike most people, I believe that Aegon is legit. If he wasn't, I think he would have been introduced in the first book. The plot twist is that he's alive; not that he's a Blackfyre. He's now my favourite character. I'm also a huge fan of the Raegar=Mance theory. It has a lot more evidence than you'd think. Casually bringing this thread from the dead like Beric Dondarrian.
If Peter Dinklage is "not Tyrion" then he is better than the "real" Tyrion. If the character was redefined, then the redefinition was an improvement. I would not trade this: or this: for anything.
Does anyone else have the same problem as me with actually reading the series? The TV show has became so ingrained I can't help but imagine the characters as the actors who portray them? The same thing happens with Potter for me, Snape is now always going to be Alan Rickman, even though I started reading that series before the films came out.
I'm the same way. If I watch the movies, the way the actors look take over how I imagined the characters. I used to imagine Snape as a pale dude with oily skin, long bony fingers, and drippy black hair (think of Samara from The Ring.) After the movies? Not anymore.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Oddly, it doesn't happen with Lord of the Rings so much, and really that's one case of a rare exception. It's easy to imagine Aragorn as something like Viggo Mortensen, but it isn't exact. In my head Aragorn is the love-child of Viggo Mortensen and Sean Bean for some reason. Gandalf, on the other hand, looks nothing like Ian McKellen.
The only character that isn't portrayed by the actor while reading is Tyrion. I still can't get over his looks (how shallow of me, I know). So a while ago I actually got to finishing the book series, and damn. I'm so excited for Winds of Winter.
Just let it happen. It's easier that way. Finished the books a few months ago. While I was reading them, I was nothing short of addicted. Couldn't put ASoS down. Almost literally.
Yeah, I struggled to get through the Brienne chapters (right until the end), but really enjoyed the Arya and Cercei ones. I enjoyed the end of the book, but had to push through most of it to get back to Jon and Tyrion.
Can't stand Arya for some reason and towards the end I sort of skipped the Brienne chapters. I wasn't interested given that I knew how it ended.
As a northerner, who is literally beyond the wall (Hadrian's Wall is about 20 miles south of me) I've always felt some sort of odd affinity with the Starks. They are my bros.
Fair enough. But how could you skip it? I knew what was gonna happen, but man, it was awesome! By the time I finished Dance, I had had almost everything spoiled.
